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re: My bullet saved me from the worst shot I've made on a deer in 30 years yesterda
Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:39 pm to Ole Geauxt
Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:39 pm to Ole Geauxt
Funny you should mention the PSP because the first time I did this that's what I was using. I was 14 years old. It was also 125 gr. out of this same rifle but I did hit the second rib with it.
It did the same thing and I recovered the bullet, 85% intact right under the skin on the opposite side. Since then I've been using the Noslers cranked up to this speed and this is the first one I ever stopped inside the deer. And I've killed more deer than I can remember in that time. That's why when we got down there and I didn't see any blood I was just stumped on what could have happened. I knew she got hit hard but I'd never seen this round not make a HUMONGOUS exit wound.
Apparently, the contents of the guts are much tougher to punch through than a couple of ribs and a heart.
It did the same thing and I recovered the bullet, 85% intact right under the skin on the opposite side. Since then I've been using the Noslers cranked up to this speed and this is the first one I ever stopped inside the deer. And I've killed more deer than I can remember in that time. That's why when we got down there and I didn't see any blood I was just stumped on what could have happened. I knew she got hit hard but I'd never seen this round not make a HUMONGOUS exit wound.
Apparently, the contents of the guts are much tougher to punch through than a couple of ribs and a heart.
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Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:40 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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What you're saying is you have a super effective gut shooting load, but a square lick on the shoulder knuckle might not end so well.
Nope. I've done that. Turns the bone into shrapnel and still exits the other side. It flat destroys that shoulder though. lol
Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:43 pm to faxis
So it can't hold together on a gut shot but holds together perfectly fine on a ball joint?
Rounds that fragment like that are just far too inconsistent for me to trust them.
Rounds that fragment like that are just far too inconsistent for me to trust them.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:43 pm to faxis
In fact downshift, with this same round I killed that 300 lb boar hog I put that camera on a couple years ago. Broke a rib after getting through the hide and shield and broke that shoulder on the opposite side.
Didn't exit, but I never thought it would. I was just amazed it smashed the bones in the opposite shoulder.
Didn't exit, but I never thought it would. I was just amazed it smashed the bones in the opposite shoulder.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:44 pm to faxis
quote:but won't go through the guts?
Turns the bone into shrapnel and still exits the other side.
This is all i'm gonna say on balistic tips... I'm glad you like em, I hate em, cause I don't like walkin' or crawlin' around in the woods looking for blood or a deer cause somebody has shot it with a balistic tip,,, when i could be back at the camp eating lunch, supper or watching the ball game..
Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:48 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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So it can't hold together on a gut shot but holds together perfectly fine on a ball joint?
Rounds that fragment like that are just far too inconsistent for me to trust them.
If by inconsistent you mean 1 in a hundred stops inside the animal because it hit something not animal that was a good four or more inches thick, And it still killed her on the spot in spite of her making it thirty yards in her last three jumps. Then you sir are a bit more of a perfectionist than I am.
I was actually surprised by the fact that the stomach contents could actually slow it down more effectively than bone can.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:53 pm to Ole Geauxt
Goat I've never spent more than ten minutes looking for deer shot with the Noslers. I don't know what you guys are shooting, but the noslers do what they do. I'm just telling you my experience with them over the last however long it's been. Long arse time and many years of hunting and killing as many as six deer in a year between Texas and here.
Yes, it will turn bone to shrapnel and go right out the other side on a whitetail with an exit wound the size of your fist or a little smaller. Seen it tons of times. Never had a deer go further than 80 yards. And the gut shot ones, there's been two and one was a PSP, drop in their tracks and neither exited.
Yes, it will turn bone to shrapnel and go right out the other side on a whitetail with an exit wound the size of your fist or a little smaller. Seen it tons of times. Never had a deer go further than 80 yards. And the gut shot ones, there's been two and one was a PSP, drop in their tracks and neither exited.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:53 pm to faxis
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I was actually surprised by the fact that the stomach contents could actually slow it down more effectively than bone can.
I'm not completely buying that. I've seen 150gr bonded soft point .30-06 bullets completely explode on that shoulder knuckle. I have a hard time believing a 125gr bullet scooting at 3200 would hold together better, much less a hollow point.
Are the nosler BT's bonded?
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:00 pm to faxis
ok, i said i was through and i am,,, but just to clarify a few things..
good night gals...
quote:i don't have to look for my deer, i said kids, and other folks that shoot balistic tips.
I don't know what you guys are shooting,
quote:well, without going into details and age, i promise you, you're way behind..
killing as many as six deer in a year between Texas and here.
quote:but won't go through the softest part of a deer, the guts? As Keyshon would say,,, "cmooooooooon man"..
will turn bone to shrapnel and go right out the other side on a whitetail with an exit wound the size of your fist
good night gals...
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:01 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I wouldn't buy it either if all I'd seen was crappy bullets and only got called when they fricked up but it's true nonetheless. And the only two 125 gr 06's I've ever stopped were within two inches of this one. Both gut shot. Both turned it to soup. Neither exited. Both had bullet under the skin on the other side. Although this one went to fricking pieces bigtime from what I can see. I may find the round in that ham yet. If I do I'll get a pic up.
As for if it's bonded, I'm not sure, don't think it is but I've never actually been too convinced of how effective that actually is with lightweight animals like whitetails. They aren't exactly armored or have much of a cross section to passing through.
Here's the Nosler site on it.
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As for if it's bonded, I'm not sure, don't think it is but I've never actually been too convinced of how effective that actually is with lightweight animals like whitetails. They aren't exactly armored or have much of a cross section to passing through.
Here's the Nosler site on it.
LINK
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:04 pm to Ole Geauxt
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but won't go through the softest part of a deer, the guts? As Keyshon would say,,, "cmooooooooon man"..
good night gals...
I know. That's the part that blows my mind about it. It's got to be because she was full of ground up acorns and leaves and shite. That's all I can think of. It's got to be like shooting into soft wood or something because I've only gut shot two deer in thirty something years and they both didn't exit and they both flopped over basically dead in their tracks.
You tell me because I'm freaking fascinated by it.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:10 pm to faxis
I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing. I have no dog in this fight.
It would bother me that my bullet wasn't holding together on gut shots. Not that I make a habit out of shooting deer in the guts, but it happens to all of us. IMO, when you're hunting with something that fragments, you're gambling. I'm glad you've had such good results with it, but I couldn't trust it. I like consistency. As in every bullet does the exact same thing no matter where I put it. Open up a little bit, frick up whatever's in its way, and make it out the other side in one big flat piece.
It would bother me that my bullet wasn't holding together on gut shots. Not that I make a habit out of shooting deer in the guts, but it happens to all of us. IMO, when you're hunting with something that fragments, you're gambling. I'm glad you've had such good results with it, but I couldn't trust it. I like consistency. As in every bullet does the exact same thing no matter where I put it. Open up a little bit, frick up whatever's in its way, and make it out the other side in one big flat piece.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:18 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Which this one does every single time you put it in the chest cavity.
I have no clue what it is about very high velocity rounds and guts but there's got to be something there because I've only gutshot two deer in my life and they both flopped over dead and looked like a bomb went off in them.
It makes no sense till you start to take into account the media you're shooting it into. Then I'm still not sure how much that's correct. There's something happening there that's slowing them way down, way fast which it doesn't do with a larger, slower round. Which is why I might add that with that big ole exit wound in the guts from other rounds you have to get lucky to find them. It didn't transfer enough energy to killing the target. It just made a nice hole through it.
And I just like arguing this shite so take none of it personally and I promise I won't.
Team High Velocity
I have no clue what it is about very high velocity rounds and guts but there's got to be something there because I've only gutshot two deer in my life and they both flopped over dead and looked like a bomb went off in them.
It makes no sense till you start to take into account the media you're shooting it into. Then I'm still not sure how much that's correct. There's something happening there that's slowing them way down, way fast which it doesn't do with a larger, slower round. Which is why I might add that with that big ole exit wound in the guts from other rounds you have to get lucky to find them. It didn't transfer enough energy to killing the target. It just made a nice hole through it.
And I just like arguing this shite so take none of it personally and I promise I won't.
Team High Velocity
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:21 pm to faxis
Hell of a story.
How long did it take her to die you think?
How long did it take her to die you think?
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:23 pm to Pectus
Honestly? She bled out into the cavity so could have been a few minutes. But if I had to guess, I'd say she was down when it hit her the first time and had I not spooked her by putting a second round past her ear she would have stayed there. That's what happened with the other one 31 years ago.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:26 pm to faxis
I'm with team heavy, solid, and slow. In my experience you get so much more consistency and such better terminal behavior. You don't get the tremendous shock and grenade effect that you do with a hauling arse hollow point, but you get a .30 entrance and a ~.65 exit every single time no matter where it goes. I see much more variation in performance from high velocity light bullet calibers (hence my unrelenting hate for the .243). Sometimes you get a huge exit with deer pieces blown 20 feet up in the tree and sometimes you get about 3" of penetration and a deer that runs 200 yards without a drop of blood.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:27 pm to faxis
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Honestly?
Yeah. I didn't know what an injury like that would take to drop one.
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She bled out into the cavity so could have been a few minutes. But if I had to guess, I'd say she was down when it hit her the first time and had I not spooked her by putting a second round past her ear she would have stayed there. That's what happened with the other one 31 years ago.
Glad you found her. It's crazy you could find her with no clues except the distance she could have moved.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:35 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I'm gonna convert you or you're gonna be my Lex Luthor.
Did you see the other deer I showed pics of a week or so ago from this same round in my buddies .308? Perfect heart shot. Hit ribs coming and going and blew a nice hole out the other side.
It's whitetails. Penetration is over rated. Kill it. Don't knock holes in it. You aren't bow hunting.
Did you see the other deer I showed pics of a week or so ago from this same round in my buddies .308? Perfect heart shot. Hit ribs coming and going and blew a nice hole out the other side.
It's whitetails. Penetration is over rated. Kill it. Don't knock holes in it. You aren't bow hunting.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:44 pm to faxis
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Did you see the other deer I showed pics of a week or so ago
Yep. Impressive.
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It's whitetails. Penetration is over rated. Kill it. Don't knock holes in it. You aren't bow hunting.
My thing is, I'm not overly concerned with putting a deer's dick in the dirt right where he stands. Give me a good mushrooming bullet and a complete pass through so I can find it. It's worked well for a couple hundred years and it continues to work well today. It aint broke so I aint fixing it. That's why you'll never catch me hunting whitetails with something more than a .30-06, which I consider to be boarderline too much for whitetails.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:51 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Yeah I do too. Which is why I always wondered at your hate for the .243 because that's another one where I've never even seen it wound a deer. Every one I've been around dropped in it's tracks.
The things I've seen wound more deer than anything are 30-30's and 30-06 180 gr bullets. I've seen those 180's wound more deer than I've seen them kill. Because a whitetail isn't big enough to effectively slow it down so you just get a little hole through it. Same spot with that 125 and you don't even have to trail it. It's dead.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that with the high velocity rounds, on whitetails, you go from a kill zone the size of a basketball to the size of a small gym bag. I normally take heart or neck shots but every once in awhile you end up in that situation I was in yesterday and you just aren't perfectly set up for the shot. I like the extra margin for error.
The things I've seen wound more deer than anything are 30-30's and 30-06 180 gr bullets. I've seen those 180's wound more deer than I've seen them kill. Because a whitetail isn't big enough to effectively slow it down so you just get a little hole through it. Same spot with that 125 and you don't even have to trail it. It's dead.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that with the high velocity rounds, on whitetails, you go from a kill zone the size of a basketball to the size of a small gym bag. I normally take heart or neck shots but every once in awhile you end up in that situation I was in yesterday and you just aren't perfectly set up for the shot. I like the extra margin for error.
This post was edited on 11/18/12 at 9:59 pm
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