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Shooting rockets into Israel will certainly speed up "ethnically cleansing" of the land. Hard to feel sorry for either one.





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Porky
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They have had 3 chances at statehood. that is not what they want. HAMAS is a jihadist movement. Not nationalist. Read their charter for crying out loud.

This has nothing to do with our country. It is not our problem and we do not have the solution. That is a FACT. The best thing the United States can do at this point is distance ourselves from anything and everything politically in the Middle East. People are getting tired of this shite.

Going after Osama Bin Laden was a worthy endeavor IMO but I honestly believe our greatest threat lies within our own political process and economic structure. We have allowed so many extraneous entities to overshadow the authority of our own people in regard to decisions affecting our domestic and foreign policies that it has become parasitic.

This crap in the Middle East has absolutely nothing to do with our nation's self-preservation, and will only lead to our destruction if we continue to take sides on Middle East issues and around the world. It's what has gotten us into all this crap in the first place.

I have absolutely nothing against the country of Israel, the Arab nations, or any other country. Furthermore, I truly believe they have no business trying to influence our decisions regarding anything. Any American who believes another country is critical or vital to our continued existence in the world can go live there as far as I'm concerned, but I'm just one voice.

I do believe we need our military at home, in a defensive sense, and only fight abroad if only absolutely necessary. Our inflexible alliance with Israel, or completely blind commitment to any other country besides our own for that matter, is of no more benefit to us than the people on the moon, yet perhaps detrimental.



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NC_Tigah
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There are plenty of Jews who oppose the Israeli government - that is a fact.
No kidding?

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Learn the difference between Judaism and Zionism.
182 posts, huh?






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NC_Tigah
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I do believe we need our military at home, in a defensive sense, and only fight abroad if only absolutely necessary. Our inflexible alliance with Israel, or completely blind commitment to any other country besides our own for that matter, is of no more benefit to us than the people on the moon, yet perhaps detrimental.
We need to keep both our military and hydrocarbon development at home. If we are energy independent, the ME can rot in 13th century laws and quagmire as far as I'm concerned, Israel included.






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SammyTiger
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We are very much a part of a new haulocaust, and it is only a matter of time before our country either has to distance itself from Israel, or accept the fact that we are supportive of an Aparthied killing machine.


There is no final solution, or death camps in palestine, and there were no jewish rockets being fired into berlin in the 1940.

The Jews aren't a exptremely small minority in the region like the white south africans.

So once again there are terrible comparisons made like all political matters can fall into some kind of mold that fits our argument.






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Geauxrilla Ballz
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Sammy - true, it is not an exact comparison. Whether I can spell "holocaust" or not.

Regardless, our American values are not consistant with what our government is actually doing, and what most of us have been fleeced into believing the truth is.







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CITWTT
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Are you aware that if not for the Israelis STOPPING thier offensive in 1973 Egypt which started the war would be occupied territory? The IDF was on the western side of the Suez and Egypts army was utterly defeated with all of thier toys stuck in the Sinai desert with nothing to do but starve to death or get slaughtered? Damascus was in a similar situation with Israeli tanks and missiles ready to rain death upon it. If you want the lands returned then give them back to the rightful owners, JORDAN.





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NC_Tigah
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Sammy - true, it is not an exact comparison. Whether I can spell "holocaust" or not.
Just so you'll know, folks here tend to be pretty well informed. Inaccurate hyperbole like your holocaust equation generally will not go down well.

The Israeli-Arab ME situation is nuanced.
Folks making assertions that one side is totally or nearly right, and the other completely wrong are just poorly informed or partisan. CT falls firmly in that camp. CT is a bright guy. He's just poorly informed or an anti-semite.

There absolutely are Israeli apologists here who fall firmly in the opposite camp.

But as long as unwashed, uneducated, unwanted, uncivilized Arab rock throwers continue to polk at Israel via attacks on its women and children, they have no shot at achieving their objectives. None. Zero.

Arabs have no shot.
Not a chance in hell.






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Porky
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Are you aware that if not for the Israelis STOPPING thier offensive in 1973 Egypt which started the war would be occupied territory? The IDF was on the western side of the Suez and Egypts army was utterly defeated with all of thier toys stuck in the Sinai desert with nothing to do but starve to death or get slaughtered? Damascus was in a similar situation with Israeli tanks and missiles ready to rain death upon it. If you want the lands returned then give them back to the rightful owners, JORDAN.

I'm aware but I'm mostly concerned with how our meddling with politics and policies abroad has compromised our ability to keep foreign entities and monies from influencing our own.






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Porky
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We need to keep both our military and hydrocarbon development at home. If we are energy independent, the ME can rot in 13th century laws and quagmire as far as I'm concerned, Israel included.

...and there's no reason we can't accomplish that. We, as the people, presently are being played as fools. We just need get back to focusing on our many issues at home, and there's an abundance. It's something we haven't been able to accomplish for the past 99 years, ever since we sold out to the Federal Reserve and their banking cartel.






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Geauxrilla Ballz
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NC - oh, I get it. Since I have just a few posts I have no idea how things go around here? I've been here.

I don't need an education on the reality of what is happening in the Middle East, especially in the Holy Land.

I don't really care if anyone agrees with my opinion or not - I've been there, and have hundereds (possibly thousands) of family members who live in the Galilee. I'm quite aware that most people here are motivated by emotion over education.

It's not a Jew/Arab thing. It's a power thing. I am not dense enough to subscribe to criticism of the State of Israel equating to "Jew hating." I know plenty of Jews who proudly stand against the State of Israel.

Also, being the son of a Palestinian Christian who can trace my family presence in the Holy Land back to the times of King David - I scoff at the ignorant remarks of how Arabs have no rights to the Land and there was never a Palestine.

"Palestine" is only a word, just like "Judaism," "Israel," and "Arab." Bin Laden would have the world be against all Islam, as Zionists would have the world equate "Israel" with "Judaism."

Educate yourselves, people. Israel is not "defending" itself. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people. No one does, really - which is a shame.






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Geauxrilla Ballz
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Oh, and before anyone tells me to move to the Middle East - I am a proud American, and thankful for the opportunities and liberties I have because this great country took my father in - a hard working man who came from ZERO and made a life for our family (when his rights were stripped from him, violently).





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Porky
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Educate yourselves, people. Israel is not "defending" itself. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people. No one does, really - which is a shame.

To me, you really do appear to have a grip on what's going on. I sincerely believe that people educating themselves (outside of mainstream media) regarding the real issues in the Middle East (and the world), and sharing the knowledge, will be very instrumental in overcoming the deception. The perpetuation of lies, deception, and war will only fuel the fire.

To you and your father as well:

ETA: I became aware of a lot of things I didn't know about a few years ago when I had the opportunity to listen to a lot of people from various countries in the Middle East. It opened my eyes when I took a good look at it for myself. We aren't limited to mainstream media. The truth can be found as close by as one's local public library, for those who actually care to take a look.



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Geauxrilla Ballz
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Thank you, Porky.

I hate what is going on now, just like everyone else - but I have family over there. Thankfully, most of them are not in the Occupied Territories (Gaza and the West Bank).

Believe it or not, but all Palestinians are not Muslims, and they don't (as a whole) celebrate it when bad things happen to our country.

Those who truly know the Arabic culture understand that it is very different to our everday American culture. It is very warm, and very diverse. For those who don't understand the diversity - it can range from Christian to Muslim, to the different sects of Islam.

I believe that Jews have the right to call the Holy Land their homeland, but so do Muslims and Christians. It's just amazing to me that WE Americans are having such a hard time promoting equality and liberties for all. Frustrated that our country and a majority of population are so accepting of our policy supporting a country that punishes civilians for being a certain religion.

Because that is exactly what we do.






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NC_Tigah
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Educate yourselves, people. Israel is not "defending" itself.
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NC - oh, I get it. Since I have just a few posts I have no idea how things go around here?
So "Israel is not defending itsel," eh?
Here's the deal Hoss.
You're either drunk, ignorant, or both.






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Northwestern tiger
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You're either drunk, ignorant, or both.



he made excellent points






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Geauxrilla Ballz
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Quite honestly, NC, I really don't give a squirt of piss what you say. I am not quite sure how you can consider me ignorant.

Call me whatever name you want, it is evident to me that you have your mind made up, on top of not showing you have a grasp on the reality of the situation.

We can disagree, but if you want to get ugly, save it. You aren't changing what I KNOW to be true.







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Porky
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I hate what is going on now, just like everyone else - but I have family over there. Thankfully, most of them are not in the Occupied Territories (Gaza and the West Bank).

Believe it or not, but all Palestinians are not Muslims, and they don't (as a whole) celebrate it when bad things happen to our country.

Those who truly know the Arabic culture understand that it is very different to our everday American culture. It is very warm, and very diverse. For those who don't understand the diversity - it can range from Christian to Muslim, to the different sects of Islam.

I believe that Jews have the right to call the Holy Land their homeland, but so do Muslims and Christians. It's just amazing to me that WE Americans are having such a hard time promoting equality and liberties for all. Frustrated that our country and a majority of population are so accepting of our policy supporting a country that punishes civilians for being a certain religion.

Because that is exactly what we do.

You nailed it.






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Geauxrilla Ballz
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Fortunately - I have really seen people starting to really open their eyes to the reality of our involvement in Israel/Palestine.

I don't get mad at those who say things like "the only good Arab is a dead Arab," because in my mind, these people don't really KNOW what they are saying. I don't really blame them, the media feeds the fire with disinformation, and Arabs as a whole don't really show a sense of urgency in changing their minds.

Facts are, on a world scale, our country is bastardized by political interests. The AIPAC has a FIRM grasp on who gets into office, they pay them well, and in return - our politicians protect Israel, right or wrong.

Politicians do not represent the goodness that America is, and the price we pay is with blood. Eventually, I have faith that people will wake up. I have seen so much more people opening their eyes the past 5 years that I actually have hope now.






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tketaco
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Israel Stacked! Hamas fricked!







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