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WSJ: How Free Speech Died on Campus



An interesting read about a changing culture:

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"The people who believe that colleges and universities are places where we want less freedom of speech have won," Mr. Lukianoff says. "If anything, there should be even greater freedom of speech on college campuses. But now things have been turned around to give campus communities the expectation that if someone's feelings are hurt by something that is said, the university will protect that person. As soon as you allow something as vague as Big Brother protecting your feelings, anything and everything can be punished."


I wonder if the death of Free Speech Alley at LSU is apathy, a fear of this "censorship" or just a loss of the "protest" mindset of the 60s. I used to love FSA.

Anybody remember the David Duke visit there? Think that would happen today?



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Zach
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Here is my favorite:

'water buffalo'

Hell, water buffalo aren't from Africa. They're from Asia.






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quote:

I wonder if the death of Free Speech Alley at LSU is apathy, a fear of this "censorship" or just a loss of the "protest" mindset of the 60s. I used to love FSA.


The last time someone tried to do something truly controversial near free speech alley he was attacked by an angry mob.






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Anybody remember the David Duke visit there? Think that would happen today?


Crazy times!!! There was a preacher there too...

There is no Free Speech Alley in front of the Union anymore? I thought it was on Wednesday afternoon?






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Tis better to silence all speech than to risk one person being offended, huh? We're a nation of thin-skinned children who have learned to use their "hurt feelings" as a weapon to inflict tremendous damage to their enemies. Pretty clever actually...





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The last time someone tried to do something truly controversial near free speech alley he was attacked by an angry mob.



What are you referring to?






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JohnnyKilroy
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What are you referring to?



Attempted flag burning.






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LSUgusto
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There is no Free Speech Alley in front of the Union anymore?
If it's still going, that's a relief. The last I saw about it was a news report talking about how students just stopped showing up for it.

Perhaps the "preacher" bull shite was just too much. I had my run-ins with those a-holes for what they'd holler at female students. It was so "unChristian" it was appalling.






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Perhaps the "preacher" bull shite was just too much. I had my run-ins with those a-holes for what they'd holler at female students. It was so "unChristian" it was appalling.



Yea those people sucked.


Jesus Talk guy was a boss though. Didn't say shite to anyone who didn't want to talk to him.






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paps
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Ah, yes. The "conservative" students got mad at an exercise of freedom. Midguided a-holes.





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Midguided
I have to agree. I admire the patriotism, but it is legitimate protest that must be defended.






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Ah, yes. The "conservative" students got mad at an exercise of freedom. Midguided a-holes.



Yep.

I don't agree with flag burning in the least, but I was much more "offended" by all the "real 'mericans" trying to silence him.

That whole event was the definition of irony. You had a guy reading a letter in lieu of his planned flag desecration, while a horde of people protesting his planned flag desecration were exhibiting gross amounts of flag desecration.

Wearing the flag
Letting the flag touch the ground
etc


It was hilarious, pathetic, and frankly sad.






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At LSU just apathy, it died an inglorious death over a long span of time. At others schools it has been a case of death applied byway of PC BS being utilized to silence people that don't want to tow the line of liberalism. At many universities "Christian" organizations have been expelled from the campus because they are in "violation of school policies" on discrimination. When done at a public university by the school it is a violation of the students First Amendment rights of freedom of association and should be fought against vigorously.





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, yes. The "conservative" students got mad at an exercise of freedom. Midguided a-holes.


Ironic that those same Conservatives angry at flag burning probably voted for secession






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CITWTT
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I finally came to the conclusion about most of that group as being akin to attendees of AA meetings. They are in a manner of speaking jealous within thier hearts.





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After reading these posts, it is hard not to disagree. There are many people in academic institutions who still hold to the view, expressed by Voltaire, that "I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Unfortunately, what was once a consensus view in academe in favor of Voltaire's statement has been diminished over time. On many campuses this is now a minority view, even though there are members of those college communities who pay lip service to the idea. There is now a sizeable number of administrators, professors, and students who do not support that view--or, at least, they support a selective application of the view to those groups with whom they agree.

Should Ann Coulter be able to speak on campus? What about Louis Farrakhan? Most of us will find one or both of these figures offensive, yet a university devoted to free speech should be equally willing to have these two figures speak on its campus. Recently there were over 2000 faculty members and students at Fordham who signed a petition demanding that Ann Coulter not be permitted to speak there. Under pressure the Republican student organization withdrew its invitation, and Coulter did not speak. What does this say about free speech at Fordham?

This extends to other areas. What about Chick-Fil-A's right to contract with a university to serve food in its student union? There are quite a few universities in which there has been a strong protest against Chick-Fil-A having a presence on their campuses. I have heard of no such organized protests here, but I know for a fact there are faculty members at LSU who would like to boot Chick-Fil-A off of campus over the position of its CEO in support of the traditional family. Regardless of what one thinks about same-sex marriage, it is a violation of free speech principles to support an effort to boot off of campus a business because of its position on a given issue.

Support for free speech is hard. It is difficult to hear people say things that you find offensive, and it is easy to respond emotionally by saying that the person saying what you find offensive should not be permitted to speak. But personally, I'm with Voltaire on this one.



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Political correctness anyone?

Some have been screaming about campus "speech codes" since the early 90s and holy shite...it looks like they were right.






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RogerTheShrubber
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Ironic that those same Conservatives angry at flag burning probably voted for secession


No one has voted for secession yet.






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yet


Here's hoping.






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RogerTheShrubber
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Last time it happened was in Vermont where they passed a resolution.





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