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moneyg
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re: Unemployment benefits should not extend to union workers


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What if an individual in the Union doesnt agree with the Union's decision to strike and is out of work reluctantly?


Wouldn't that be the risk of choosing to collectively bargain in the first place?






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I B Freeman
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re: Unemployment benefits should not extend to union workers


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Can I actually do this? Is this a real thing? Is it unethical for me to exploit such a loophole in order to hasten the decline of policies I don't approve of?


Yes you can do this if you pay yourself a salary and pay UI taxes on that salary as the employer. Why couldn't you? Technically your employers is your business not you.







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TrueTiger
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re: Unemployment benefits should not extend to union workers


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Lay yourself off.
Collect unemployment.


Can I actually do this?


It is actually legally possible to do this, but its not as easy as I made it sound.

Example: You are the sole shareholder of a small company. You are the president, treasurer, secretary, salesman, whatever. You are the only employee. As an officer of the company you have the company hire yourself, you have the company set up payroll to pay yourself. In Louisiana there is NO exemption in unemployment taxes for employees who also own the company they work for. In other states (Wisconsin for example) there is an exemption so the company owner/employee does not pay the tax but is also not eligible for unemployment. So it depends on your state.

Paying the unemployment tax makes you a covered employee. The state of Louisiana forced you to do it. So, if the business had a downturn and had to go out of business, you could lay yourself off and collect.


Warning to the stupid people: If you were to do this for the sole purpose of collecting unemployment, it would not be ethical or legal. Only if your business is an honest to god business and experiences and honest to god downturn is this OK.






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wiltznucs
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re: Unemployment benefits should not extend to union workers


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Wouldn't that be the risk of choosing to collectively bargain in the first place?


The reality in practice is that if a worker chooses not to join the Union in an Organized Unit they are without any representation.

For instance, if this non-due paying worker wants a day off or a schedule change they cant ask their boss directly. They are contractually prohibited from doing so as part of the CBA. They have to ask their Union Steward who will go to the boss on the non-due paying members behalf. How hard do you think that Steward is going to work for a worker who's not Union and isn't paying dues? Will they ever get promotions and merit above other Union due paying members? Theres a reason that in unionized organizations that there is nearly 100% due paying membership. If you dont, you get screwed and theres no way around it.

My experience has been that many perhaps as much as half join the Union because they have little practical alternatives. It's either join and have representation or dont join and get shafted by the very people that have been selected to represent you.



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