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Meauxjeaux
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Alternative to secession: America V2.0



I've toyed around with this idea for awhile but thought I'd roll it out here for dicsussion.

Is there a way to bridge the divide in our Nation by implementing a concept of a Virtual America.

Like when you register as R, D, Independent or even Green, Commie, Socialist, whatever for voting, you could register to be governed under a diverse set of rules tailored for your interests.

Primarily this is would a fiscal divide - IE how taxes are rated and where spending would go.

There would be some base line % that would go towards common goods: military strength, roads and bridges, border control (HA, what a concept).

No need for the anticipated "idiotic" responses from the left, this is just an open forum, think tank thread.







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jamboybarry
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This was the point of "states", no?





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Meauxjeaux
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I think that was back with the point of the Constitution was to limit a Federal government too.





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Is there a way to bridge the divide in our Nation by implementing a concept of a Virtual America.


I think both parties could give a little more and get back to the constitution. America does not need to be remade. Also electing a less divisive President would help. People became divided under w in his second term and its only gotten worse. As for your idea, I don't see it working, we should all play by the same rules imho. Just my two cents.....

ETA: I will agree that some things can be left to the states though.



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This was the point of "states", no?


it's like he came up with this genius idea that's never been thought of before...and then he realized someone already invented the wheel.






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TigerRad
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10th amendment has been flushed down the shitter in this country





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CITWTT
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Despite the obvious re-application of the DOI, there is a neat little thing in the UN charter to be considered with the US as a signatory to it. The wonderful "right to self-determination" of people.





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deltaland
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I think instead of succession, I would rather have an all out revolution of the people. Our Gov't is corrupt, and their interest is not in the people. We need a clean sweep of the entire Congress, presidency, etc. Get rid of career politicians and put new people in place that will Govern for the people.





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udtiger
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Like when you register as R, D, Independent or even Green, Commie, Socialist, whatever for voting, you could register to be governed under a diverse set of rules tailored for your interests.


This is practically impossible.







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TigerinATL
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Like when you register as R, D, Independent or even Green, Commie, Socialist, whatever for voting, you could register to be governed under a diverse set of rules tailored for your interests.


This already exists. It's called state and local government and it's how America is supposed to work. Not this one size fits none monstrosity from Washington. We don't need America V2.0, we need America V1.0






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rob0710
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Revolution through education. Get back to teaching the constitution in a good light and Saul Alinsky as the trash he was.

Teach the kids the positive points of having state rights and smaller big government.



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junkfunky
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it's like he came up with this genius idea that's never been thought of before...and then he realized someone already invented the wheel.


But it's not the wheel, it's better than the wheel because it has electrolytes.






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Freauxzen
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This already exists. It's called state and local government and it's how America is supposed to work. Not this one size fits none monstrosity from Washington. We don't need America V2.0, we need America V1.0



I think this is his point though. He messed it up by saying:

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Like when you register as R, D, Independent or even Green, Commie, Socialist, whatever for voting, you could register to be governed under a diverse set of rules tailored for your interests.


It's not about parties, it's about group affiliation, which was location bound for a long time.

The question is: Does it have to be that way?

It is an ingenious idea actually, but I think because geography can still be a major effect, this would be difficult.

You would need to put some new systems in place because not EVERYTHING is virtual. (Schools, roads and bridges, etc.)

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Primarily this is would a fiscal divide - IE how taxes are rated and where spending would go. There would be some base line % that would go towards common goods: military strength, roads and bridges, border control (HA, what a concept).


Exactly.

So basically, take states "Borderless" and remove location from the equation. Establish "Citizenry Groups," that are like-minded individuals who want to organize their governance structures the same.

Parse money out for normal goods as mentioned, Roads, Defense and Education, Health Stipend. Everything else is then governed by the "Group."

Now, how this interacts with place-based laws (Alcohol and Firearms, Drugs, Local Governance, etc.) is questionable.

Interesting concept.






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Meauxjeaux
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I think a tear came to my eye.





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buckboudreaux
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think instead of succession, I would rather have an all out revolution of the people. Our Gov't is corrupt, and their interest is not in the people. We need a clean sweep of the entire Congress, presidency, etc. Get rid of career politicians and put new people in place that will Govern for the people..............let me know....i am locked and loaded





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Freauxzen
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I think a tear came to my eye.



Honestly, it would be a great discussion to be had. I think in a deregulated, more free environment, this would be easy to do, and logical. But in our over-regulated, heavy-handed government situation, this is difficult.

But think about it it like this, I'll use Education as my example since that is my forte:

Step 1: Change the department of education to fund, through vouchers, multiple systems of education, instead of location-based state/county systems.

So you might have the:
Education System of Technology Advancement
Liberal Arts Consortium
Secondary Group of America

Systems are strictly funded on a "per student" basis.

Each system operates within many states, having taken over schools, rebuilt them within their own guidelines/intentions.

Step 2: You belong to the "Libertarian State of America," part of who's taxes fund two school systems, the EdTech and the 2GA. They DO NOT fund the Liberal Arts group. They have determined their own amount to fund and WHO they choose to fund with THEIR tax dollars. (I'm not a tax guru, someone else figure this systems out).

Step 3: You live in Omaha, Nebraska. Your county has two funding measures 1) Menial General Funds from the National pot and 2) Group based funds depending on who lives there, again, the bigger the group, the more funding for your area.

Step 4: You have a choice for your kid, the local EdTech School or the local 2GA school, whichever school your kid attends gets that much more in a voucher, Plus One Kid.

Make sense?

Of course this is a quick 5 minute piece, but I could see it working on some level. As the DED currently works, of course this would never work. I could see vouchers as the only way to make it work. Location would still control some things, which means funding from location-based taxes should still happen in some sense.



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TigerinATL
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So basically, take states "Borderless" and remove location from the equation.


I don't think you can do that until we get Star Trek transporters. Location and the cost of movement is a reality, especially when a big part of what the government does is provide physical security and transportation conduits.






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Freauxzen
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I don't think you can do that until we get Star Trek transporters. Location and the cost of movement is a reality, especially when a big part of what the government does is provide physical security and transportation conduits.



But refer to example above. It's possible, but that means funding is broken down differently.

Government would definitely have to get smaller. I think you can beat the location problem by changing the structure. Also, build transportation conduits is and would still be supported.

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physical security and transportation conduits.


Should be two of the few things government does, and it should continue to do it. I don't think either is impeded by a virtual state system.






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DallasTiger11
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This already exists. It's called state and local government and it's how America is supposed to work. Not this one size fits none monstrosity from Washington. We don't need America V2.0, we need America V1.0

+10000000

I have seen so much criticism over the past couple days on these secession petitions over how ridiculous they are and that it will never happen and we should stand up for this country no matter what.

Bull shite.

The federal government (starting with Abraham Lincoln I might add) has taken a collective dump on the Constitution and original purpose of this country. The entire reason for this country's existence is so large sweeping governments could not rule us anymore. The cultures and interests in the colonies were so different than the states were what was really important.

A one size fits all form of government was not the intent of this country's formation and most of the founders would be disgusted if they came back today. It is odd and ironic that what they fought to free themselves from is what we are becoming.






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Freauxzen
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This already exists. It's called state and local government and it's how America is supposed to work. Not this one size fits none monstrosity from Washington. We don't need America V2.0, we need America V1.0

+10000000


I don't think this idea relies on the notion of states, it's actually an EXPANSION of how a state operates, not an obliteration of the state governance structure.

Of course we have that system, but can we make it better, more flexible rather than simple and often problematic location-based laws?







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