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That 3rd and 8...Hindsight isn't 20/20.

Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:17 pm
Posted by TigerinCharlotte
Charlotte, NC - The Queen City
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:17 pm
It's been discussed, but whatever. This is the rant.

That call is haunting me and others as well. How can you say "hindsight is 20/20" or that "it was the right call"? No, it's not. There is only one correct call, which is go for the jugular, get the first down and get the hell out of Tiger Stadium with a win. Which, would be to throw the ball in that situation. First down, GAME OVER! And don't give me this "well if it was incomplete it would have stopped the clock and you would have been pissed". Would not have been. If the intent is to win the game and go for the knock out blow, you can't fault Miles or any coach, if in that situation, he goes for the jugular. I have no problem with that all. And it's been said many times...Mett was hot, Bama was on their heels, our receivers were on fire! Arhhg, so frustrating! Hell, and this another discussion, but its arguable to even go for it on 4th down.

It's simple guys, an analogy...Favre, Brees, Manning, etc is having a horrible half, would you want to give any of those guys the ball back, despite a horrible half, with plenty of time left on the clock? Do you want to give the #1 team in the Country the ball back? Hell no. And no, I'm not comparing Maccaron to any of those guys. But he's a capable guy and he proved it. Sure as hell didn't show it the whole half (I realize that), but showed it when it mattered. Now, did I like our "D's" chances in that situation after the missed FG? Absolutely. Did I think that they would drive with such ease on us and score? No, not really. But, there is always that chance and I know it was a possibility. And, they lived up to that chance. They're the #1 team in the Country for a reason.

And you know Bama was thinking TD the whole time. You think Saban was thinking 3 to tie the game? Hell no. It was 6 all the way. They went for the jugular and got it.

Miles is going to "gamble" on a fake fg, an on side kick, etc. But in the situation it matters the most, he doesn't. Doesn't take that chance. What the hell?! And here's the thing, it's not even a "gamble"! That situation is not a "gamble" situation. Not when your offense has been playing the way they were playing and a 1st down ends that game.

Miles makes a boat load of money, and with that comes decisions like this one. This is why he gets paid top dollar. To make those types of calls in those types of situations, and he simply made the wrong call. Not acceptable. Not when you make over $3 million a year. It's not "hindsight is 20/20". Hell, people on TD who make $8.50 an hour know it was the wrong call.

Sum it up, we get that first down we're talking about the Title Game. No first down and now we're talking about the Chicken Sandwich bowl. That play (if we had gotten the 1st) changed the whole complexity of the season and what ultimately could have been a huge pay day for LSU. I need a good laugh after writing this, I'm heading over to the Fark Board.
Posted by Biglesman
Member since Nov 2012
16 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:19 pm to
Finally someone who agrees with me
Posted by cupchu1
Member since Aug 2012
419 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:22 pm to
You're never going to convince everyone that it was the right or wrong call; running the ball to bleed an extra minute versus throwing the ball for a possible first down is something that could be debated about every weekend by at least one team. It's just a coaching philosophy. One that many coaches have.

Edit: Not saying you're wrong for wanting to throw the ball, it's obviously the better decision in this situation given hindsight. There's just little use starting argument on it. And FWIW I would not have called a run, I just take little to no issue with it.
This post was edited on 11/5/12 at 12:28 pm
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:22 pm to
That series plus the ridiculously bad play call on the 4th and 2 with Ware = Miles fail
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16368 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:24 pm to
The FG (if made) meant Bama had to score a TD. Running the ball meant we milked the clock. I'm ok with what attempted and wouldn't complained had we tried to pass for the 1st.

quote:

And you know Bama was thinking TD the whole time. You think Saban was thinking 3 to tie the game? Hell no. It was 6 all the way. They went for the jugular and got it.


Bama was in FG range with some cushion on the clock. They had time to go for it without jeopardizing a FG attempt.

Posted by Papa Tigah
TIGER ISLAND, LA
Member since Sep 2007
18375 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by Biglesman
Member since Nov 2012
16 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:26 pm to
What about chavis' prevent defense?
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27720 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:26 pm to
it was 3rd and ten. I believe Hill picked up 4 and set up 4th and 6.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
14155 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

ridiculously bad play call on the 4th and 2 with Ware


This is the one that I can't let go of. We were 2 yards from victory. Bama couldn't have stopped the clock if we had converted. As soon as I saw Ware line up in the Warecat, I had a bad feeling. Why not just power ahead for a 1st down with Hill or run Ford around the outside? Bama knew exactly what we were gonna do....just like they knew exactly how to attack Chavis' shitty prevent defense. Saban said that in his post-game interview. They studied our tendencies. Good coaches do that.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:28 pm to
That's the call you focused on? Not the fake FG, not the onside kick, not the 54 yd attempt, not the Warecat dive, but that?

Running Hill there was the correct call. Our D had Bama locked down all half and gave up an uncharacteristic drive to end it, plain and simple.
Posted by chinesebandit76
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
515 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:29 pm to
The 3rd and 8 play doesn't bother me as much as the 4th and 6 that followed. A fg made doesn't put the game away at all. Why attempt it? This is the down we should have thrown on. You milked the clock down to 1:40. If you get the first the game is over. The fg just means Bama needs a TD. If you don't get the first, it is just like missing the fg.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158721 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:30 pm to
You can argue that call either. Personally, I hated it.

Warecat....there is no way arguing that was the correct call.
Posted by CalTiger53
California
Member since Oct 2011
9034 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:32 pm to
Yes, all other thing were irrelevant once we had the game in our control. In general that is the mentality that Miles need to change. Just look at freaking Oregon, they go for 2 after their first TD.
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

TigerinCharlotte


I could not have said it any better. That is exactly how I see it
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:34 pm to
The kicking game really hurt us. The fake FG, the 54 yd attempt where Alleman slipped, and then the straight ahead one he missed. Ironically, the kicking game fricked us this time around.
This post was edited on 11/5/12 at 12:35 pm
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:36 pm to
In the moment I thought just run it and get another 40 seconds of the clock, our defense has been holding all game. I should have been right, but our D just fell apart for some reason.
Being able to look back on it now, obviously I would rather the chance to just get the 1st. Go 4 wide and run a draw on 3rd and 8 and try and get at least half of it. Then let Mett take care of it on 4th down and manageable. That would have been ideal.

But in the moment I don't really see how anyone would not run the clock down, kick a FG, and make them drive the whole field with less than a min and a half to go. Obviously that sounds dumb now because they did, but I think was the best chance to win right there. It's just unfortunate we missed the FG AND let them drive all the way down the field.
Posted by TigerinCharlotte
Charlotte, NC - The Queen City
Member since Sep 2008
1266 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:37 pm to
Yes, The Warecat call was bad as well. And what was even worse about that call, if I remember correctly, LSU looked confused on that play. Looked like the call came in very late. As if they weren't sure what play ton run. Again, on Miles. You have to be quick on your feet in those situations. Easier said than done, but that's why he makes the money he makes. Yes, Warecat call was a bad call as well.
Posted by Me Bite
A.K.A. - Bite Me
Member since Oct 2007
7148 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:40 pm to
100% agree
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
87341 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:43 pm to
I think miles realized he was going to win the game despite his earlier decisions so he played the safe percentages, ran down the clock and kicked the field goal. If he throws it on 3rd or 4th down and we get an incompletion to stop the clock or a turnover he would have never lived that down. No way to know that BAMA would drive 73 yds on our defense with less than 2 mins
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
87341 posts
Posted on 11/5/12 at 12:45 pm to
At the very least ware should have been in shotgun, got the snap and did the "1,2 go" read like cam newton or tebow used to do
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