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Call that puzzles me most but no one seems to be talking about...
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:48 am
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:48 am
I have heard about the fake vs. non-fake FG, the 4th and 1 with the wildcat instead of running Hill, the personal foul, etc. However the call that boggles my mind more than all others is running the ball up the middle on our last possession on 3rd and long with 2:20 left on the clock and up by 3 points and Alabama out of timeouts.
If we get the first down then the game is over. If we don't get it then all we have done is give Alabama an extra 35 seconds which in the grand scheme of things is not a big deal under that scenario. The 1:40 seconds we left Alabama was plenty for them to get a FG or TD and the 35 extra seconds would have made no difference on whether we could stop them or not. The fact that we had a chance to put the game away and did not even take a shot at it is what is making this loss tough to swallow more than anything else.
I will say this for Miles, even with the mistakes I am proud of the way we took the game to Alabama, played with confidence and had an attacking game plan (with the exception of the play I mention above). I am very proud of the way the Tigers play. Just because the loss is painful does not mean we need to abandon the team or throw people under the bus.
Just had to get that off my chest.
If we get the first down then the game is over. If we don't get it then all we have done is give Alabama an extra 35 seconds which in the grand scheme of things is not a big deal under that scenario. The 1:40 seconds we left Alabama was plenty for them to get a FG or TD and the 35 extra seconds would have made no difference on whether we could stop them or not. The fact that we had a chance to put the game away and did not even take a shot at it is what is making this loss tough to swallow more than anything else.
I will say this for Miles, even with the mistakes I am proud of the way we took the game to Alabama, played with confidence and had an attacking game plan (with the exception of the play I mention above). I am very proud of the way the Tigers play. Just because the loss is painful does not mean we need to abandon the team or throw people under the bus.
Just had to get that off my chest.
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Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:51 am to PokerPlayingTiger
yeah, this was the one that bothered me. If you're going to do shite like the fake FG, onside kick, etc. this one should have been a much easier decision
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:52 am to PokerPlayingTiger
Hindsight is 20/20
The way our defense played in the 2nd half running the ball there and taking a kick that Alleman is certainly capable of making is definitely the right call.
Our defense played so well during the 2nd half, there was no need to take a risk there
The way our defense played in the 2nd half running the ball there and taking a kick that Alleman is certainly capable of making is definitely the right call.
Our defense played so well during the 2nd half, there was no need to take a risk there
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:52 am to PokerPlayingTiger
Has it worked previously? Multiple times? Have you showered Miles with love for his risky playcalls?
Yes. So stop.
Yes. So stop.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:53 am to PokerPlayingTiger
Discussion about this Yesterday on Rant
I had the exact same thoughts on this. If you pick up the first down it is totally done.
I had the exact same thoughts on this. If you pick up the first down it is totally done.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:53 am to Cap Crunch
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The way our defense played in the 2nd half running the ball there and taking a kick that Alleman is certainly capable of making is definitely the right call. Our defense played so well during the 2nd half, there was no need to take a risk there
This
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:53 am to PokerPlayingTiger
I agree. Miles needed to stay aggressive and ride a hot quarterback that was delivering 3rd conversions the whole second half. Furthermore, staying aggressive would prevent reliance on a struggling kicker while still giving that kicker a chance to deliver even after an incompletion. I understand removing 40 seconds from the clock when the opposing team would have needed to drive the length of the field for a winning touchdown. But with no real guaranty of success of that strategy given the kicker's struggles, I think the better approach was to go for the kill. Even without success, the kicker still has a chance and you're relying on your defense anyway to preserve the lead. With success, the game is over.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:54 am to PokerPlayingTiger
Agree with OP, Mett was on fire, let him pass on a passing down like we had been doing all night. Not a terrible call to run it, mind you.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:55 am to MetArl15
If anything you roll Mett out there and tell him to just fall down to not stop the clock if nobody is open.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:57 am to geauxtigers810
quote:If your strategy is to rely on a defense that had had success in the 2nd half, why change the tactics of that defense that had brought the success? You say "defense can win this" and then continue the approach that inspires this confidence. Doing otherwise is illogical and is why the prevent defense was stupid given Bama's success against it previously in the game and LSU's success not using these tactics throughout the game.
The way our defense played in the 2nd half running the ball there and taking a kick that Alleman is certainly capable of making is definitely the right call. Our defense played so well during the 2nd half, there was no need to take a risk there
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:01 am to Hat Tricks
Line up in an obvious run formation, play action, first down, ????, victory.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:02 am to Cap Crunch
quote:
The way our defense played in the 2nd half running the ball there and taking a kick that Alleman is certainly capable of making is definitely the right call.
Our defense played so well during the 2nd half, there was no need to take a risk there
The reason you give above is exactly why we should have gone for it. Get the first down and game is over. Don't get it and we have the defense who was playing lights out to back us up. The 2 options were: (1) Go for the 1st and the win or (2) run and kick and don't put the game away either way.
It should also be brought up that we had a QB playing the game of his life and hot at Joe Montana in his heyday at the time of the decision.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:02 am to PokerPlayingTiger
The way I look at that is that If they passed and threw it incomplete he would be getting ripped for giving bama more time on the clock not getting in better fg range blah blah blah. That's just a football decision by a coach. If y'all were in that situation you would have probably run it too.
Play that gets me is not punting and trying a 55 yard fg before half. Punt and its halftime
Play that gets me is not punting and trying a 55 yard fg before half. Punt and its halftime
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:03 am to TigerDog83
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TigerDog83
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I had the exact same thoughts on this. If you pick up the first down it is totally done.
I did a quick search but did not see that post. I would not have posted had I seen it.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:06 am to PokerPlayingTiger
completely agree with the OP. Go for the kill and get the first down, and the game is over. Running the ball to burn more clock wasn't that important because Bama was going to have 90 seconds anyway, and that's plenty of time in college football to get down the field. So go for the first down and put the game away. By the way, this isn't hindsight for me, I was complaining about this play calling as it happened.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:13 am to Cap Crunch
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Alleman is certainly capable
Certainly he is capable, but he is far from automatic right now. In a night where Les was taking risks, this was a very conservative decision.
And you make Bama score a TD, but the TD still beats you. If you go for it and fail, a TD still beats you. If you get it, game is over. I thought it was worth the risk. And we are talking about 3rd down call here. You could make an argument it was two down territory.
Maybe that was the thinking behind the call. We run, pick up 5 yards on 3rd down, mayne Les goes on 4th to win the game.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:15 am to Cap Crunch
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The way our defense played in the 2nd half running the ball there and taking a kick that Alleman is certainly capable of making is definitely the right call.
you can still get the field goal after throwing the ball. You end the game right there. They couldn't stop our passing attack
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:18 am to Cap Crunch
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The way our defense played in the 2nd half running the ball there and taking a kick that Alleman is certainly capable of making is definitely the right call.
Our defense played so well during the 2nd half, there was no need to take a risk there
Yeah because we've never seen this scenario in major college football or the NFL...and the offense usually always drives down the field in the last minute to have at least a field goal try if not more.
The reason this happens is not only the fact that the defense goes into prevent mode but the offense has nothing to lose at this point...there is no fear.
With that being said, you throw the ball on 3rd and 7 and go for the win (especially with a hot quarterback).
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:20 am to PokerPlayingTiger
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I have heard about the fake vs. non-fake FG, the 4th and 1 with the wildcat instead of running Hill, the personal foul, etc. However the call that boggles my mind more than all others is running the ball up the middle on our last possession on 3rd and long with 2:20 left on the clock and up by 3 points and Alabama out of timeouts.
If we get the first down then the game is over. If we don't get it then all we have done is give Alabama an extra 35 seconds which in the grand scheme of things is not a big deal under that scenario. The 1:40 seconds we left Alabama was plenty for them to get a FG or TD and the 35 extra seconds would have made no difference on whether we could stop them or not. The fact that we had a chance to put the game away and did not even take a shot at it is what is making this loss tough to swallow more than anything else.
I will say this for Miles, even with the mistakes I am proud of the way we took the game to Alabama, played with confidence and had an attacking game plan (with the exception of the play I mention above). I am very proud of the way the Tigers play. Just because the loss is painful does not mean we need to abandon the team or throw people under the bus
get out of my head................seriously though, I said that after 2nd down in the stadium.
I agree 100%. mett was on fire. I like our chances of getting six yards and then taking 3 knee's.
It would have been nice to let the O close this one out.
excellent post
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:22 am to Cap Crunch
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Hindsight is 20/20
The way our defense played in the 2nd half running the ball there and taking a kick that Alleman is certainly capable of making is definitely the right call.
Our defense played so well during the 2nd half, there was no need to take a risk there
This... Also to run about 40 more seconds off of the clock... I didn't mind the call...
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