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lsu5803tiger
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My God, the politards are going to take down the President!







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CajunAngele
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Yeah it has spread on the blogosphere

AFRICOM's TOP GENERAL RELIEVED FOR INSUBORDINATION! HIS CRIME? HE TRIED TO SAVE THEM!! - Page 1 - AR15.COM
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I would be embarrassed being quoted from free republic though Did you give the owner 85K?

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Jim Rockford
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I would be embarrassed being quoted from free republic though Did you give the owner 85K?


Holy shit, the mouthbreathing Freepers are going to show up next on the poliboard. Is that loon that owns the site dead yet or is he still doing his psychotic schtick to fleece the true believers?

Hey out there Freepers. You do realize that your own side thinks you're a joke, don't you?






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JGT
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He should be taken down. He has caused this mess by stonewalling and not explaining the situation. He is hoping to get past the election. I am not saying it is truthful, I am saying he is causing the rumors and hiding something.





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WM
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Okay, I'm gonna say it, was Ambassador Stevens supposed to die?


No, he was supposed to have kidnapped. But when the Seals ignored orders to stand down the Muslim Brotherhood thought they had been double crossed and starting killing. You can't be a political hero for negotiating the release or planning the rescue of a dead Ambassador. .






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JawjaTigah
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You've received your orders. I suggest you comply.
And after WW II at Nuremberg and similar war crime trials, many German officers/officials who plead that they "were only following orders" were convicted of war crimes and sentenced, some to die.

My question is when is it patriotic to defy orders and do what is right? If there's any truth to the OP, then I'd say that Gen. Ham has a pretty good handle on the answer to my question. But he got relieved before he could carry out his intentions.



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tketaco
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Good God, how has this board become prominent enough to have so many national lurkrrs? Must be Rex's dog video.


This thread has jumped to OT levels.






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tketaco
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My question is when is it patriotic to defy orders and do what is right? If there's any truth to the OP, then I'd say that Gen. Ham has a pretty good handle on the answer to my question. But he got relieved before he could carry out his intentions.


Didn't a Staff Sergeant recieve the Medal of Honor after defying orders?






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CajunAngele
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Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group - Navy - Stripes

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USMCTiger03
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No, he was supposed to have kidnapped. But when the Seals ignored orders to stand down the Muslim Brotherhood thought they had been double crossed and starting killing. You can't be a political hero for negotiating the release or planning the rescue of a dead Ambassador. .

Ohhhh. One of the few missing elements falls into place - motive.






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tketaco
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I think Tom Clancy started this thread to get ideas for his next book.





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IceTiger
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All that is true (meaning military jargonese...not the rumor) except one part...


The Combatant Commander (in this instance the AFRICOM/CC) answers only to the POTUS, and to no other officer in the military...

Sometimes the SECDEF will distribute the POTUS's wishes...but the buck stops with the POTUS...


The word Pentagon can be misleading




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IceTiger
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Bbf,


General Ham cant say shite...the details of the event are surely classified.

Anything he says or does will earn him a long life in a 8x8 resort room at Leavenworth Kansas






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PANTHER
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Because our President is a POS.





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Reaganite
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General Ham cant say shite...the details of the event are surely classified.


Full Congressional immunity might cure that ill.


Here's an operating theory on what Amassador Stevens was probably up to:

LINK

Former CIA Officer gives some inside baseball on the incident (It will make your blood boil):

Part 1
LINK

Part 2
LINK


I don't know if Ambassador Stevens was "suppose" to die, as some have logically wondered, but POTUS' Stand Down order certainly insured it.






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RCDfan1950
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Congressional pardon or immunity? Whatever it takes to expose the truth. Insurance...in case Obama ecks out a win.

If they get away with this...makes one wonder just how long forums like this will continue.






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Elcid96
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Decatur, Rex, DA and Col Toddy don't automatically believe bull shite from an Obama hater.


No you just believe automatically all the bull shite from Obama!






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Reaganite
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Another one bites the dust:

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Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group

By ROBERT BURNS
The Associated Press
Published: October 27, 2012

"WASHINGTON -- The Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis' home port at Bremerton, Wash., in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.

It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.

The Navy did not reveal details of the allegations, citing only an accusation of "inappropriate leadership judgment" that arose during the strike group's deployment to the Middle East. Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Navy's chief spokesman, declined to discuss the investigation.

The Stennis group deployed from Bremerton in late August and had entered the Navy 5th Fleet's area of operations in the Middle East on Oct. 17 after sailing across the Pacific. The Stennis made port visits in Thailand and Malaysia on its way to the Middle East.

It deployed four months earlier than scheduled in response to a request by the commander of U.S. Central Command, Marine Gen. James Mattis, to maintain two aircraft carriers in the Middle East. The Stennis replaced the USS Enterprise carrier group.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta visited the Stennis and its sailors in Bremerton shortly before they departed. He thanked them for accelerating their deployment on short notice.

"I understand that it is tough," Panetta said. "We are asking an awful lot of each of you, but frankly you are the best I have and when the world calls we have to respond."


Check out the comment section below the story via the LINK above.



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vl100butch
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this is really starting to pick up steam....

who knows, tigerdroppings may end up getting credited with putting the final nail in the coffin of this administration that makes Jimmy Carter's look competent....






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theunknownknight
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will we get credit for calling the AQ gun running by our own government?


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