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When the Topic of an OC is Brought Up.....
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:17 pm
why are so many on the Rant so quick to criticize?
The responses are so typical...
1) If you think you can do a better job.....
2) STFU.....
3) LSU is 7-1...what do you want?.....
4) CLM has forgot more football than you'll ever know.....
5) Some LSU fans will never be satisfied...
6) Gruden / Bear Bryant.....etc. etc. etc.
Is it really asking too much to have a passing game that rivals Akron, Buffalo or New Mexico State? Is it???
Some always resort to the fact that LSU has a tremendous running attack. I agree LSU does....but Alabama's Rushing attack AND Passing attack are averaging more yards per game.
It is possible to have both a stout defense and a passing game that is respectable?
Why LSU remains a cellar dweller in the passing game is beyond me. Again, you can have BOTH.
All is well now but when the gumps come to town and shut the vaunted LSU running game down and the passing game is nowhere to be found (see MNC game) all hell is gonna break loose.
Why should anyone believe the passing game is going to magically appear in a matter of (2) weeks when it didn't get taken care of over the course of an entire off-season.....especially following the humiliating defeat and offensive performance in the MNC?
If you are satisfied with the passing game being 112th in the nation and continuing to be behind Bowling Green, Central Michigan and Florida International then that's ok because that's exactly what you're gonna continue to get without an OC.
And, the deer in headlight look coming from CLM after Nov. 3rd will be just as obvious as it was following the MNC. Unfortunately, Bobby Hebert won't be there to ask why LSU couldn't pick up a first down until mid-way thought the 3rd qtr. and why they only crossed mid-field twice.
I like CLM; however, I'm frustrated that he knows what this teams achilles heel is and won't do anything to fix it.
Hire and OC.....PLEASE!!!!!!!!
The responses are so typical...
1) If you think you can do a better job.....
2) STFU.....
3) LSU is 7-1...what do you want?.....
4) CLM has forgot more football than you'll ever know.....
5) Some LSU fans will never be satisfied...
6) Gruden / Bear Bryant.....etc. etc. etc.
Is it really asking too much to have a passing game that rivals Akron, Buffalo or New Mexico State? Is it???
Some always resort to the fact that LSU has a tremendous running attack. I agree LSU does....but Alabama's Rushing attack AND Passing attack are averaging more yards per game.
It is possible to have both a stout defense and a passing game that is respectable?
Why LSU remains a cellar dweller in the passing game is beyond me. Again, you can have BOTH.
All is well now but when the gumps come to town and shut the vaunted LSU running game down and the passing game is nowhere to be found (see MNC game) all hell is gonna break loose.
Why should anyone believe the passing game is going to magically appear in a matter of (2) weeks when it didn't get taken care of over the course of an entire off-season.....especially following the humiliating defeat and offensive performance in the MNC?
If you are satisfied with the passing game being 112th in the nation and continuing to be behind Bowling Green, Central Michigan and Florida International then that's ok because that's exactly what you're gonna continue to get without an OC.
And, the deer in headlight look coming from CLM after Nov. 3rd will be just as obvious as it was following the MNC. Unfortunately, Bobby Hebert won't be there to ask why LSU couldn't pick up a first down until mid-way thought the 3rd qtr. and why they only crossed mid-field twice.
I like CLM; however, I'm frustrated that he knows what this teams achilles heel is and won't do anything to fix it.
Hire and OC.....PLEASE!!!!!!!!
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Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:18 pm to OGTiger
Did you in lclude tldr? Cause I didnt
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:26 pm to OGTiger
SOS:DR
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:29 pm to BigEdLSU
Miles was O/C
Krag wss O/C and QB Coach
Stud was O/C
Ensminger was O/C, QB Coach,and one of the better QB that LSU had. He brought us back at Ole Miss when LSU was down 0-21 at the Half to win 28-21.
Henry was O/C
How many O/C's do we need??
Krag wss O/C and QB Coach
Stud was O/C
Ensminger was O/C, QB Coach,and one of the better QB that LSU had. He brought us back at Ole Miss when LSU was down 0-21 at the Half to win 28-21.
Henry was O/C
How many O/C's do we need??
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:30 pm to OGTiger
quote:
1) If you think you can do a better job.....
2) STFU.....
3) LSU is 7-1...what do you want?.....
4) CLM has forgot more football than you'll ever know.....
5) Some LSU fans will never be satisfied...
6) Gruden / Bear Bryant.....etc. etc. etc.
These are the head in the sand folks. I have no idea why they even come to a discussion board.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:32 pm to OGTiger
JACK DEL RIO !!!!!!!
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:34 pm to Malaysian Tiger
quote:1 good one
How many O/C's do we need??
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:39 pm to OGTiger
quote:
I'm frustrated that he knows what this teams achilles heel is and won't do anything to fix it.
i think he's trying to get it fixed. he hired gonzales and he hired kragthorpe. he let crowton go. then kragthorpe gets sick and we have stud. he's giving this a try but miles is not going to accept what's going on now. i give him credit for trying to work with the kragthorpe situation and give stud his shot. if the woes don't get fixed, miles with do what's right; he always has and he will continue to. but many fans want instant change and that appears not to be possible. at years end, i feel sure we will see changes on the offensive side of the ball.unless stud and krag turn it around. i believe they are busting their arse to do so but the progress is damn slow. it's difficult to be patient but impatience is not necessarily good. should he fire stud tomorrow? what will that do to our season, esp. with the revolving door on the OL. bet the offensive staff gets shuffled and a new OC is hired in teh offseason. that probably means one offensive coach will have to leave.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:47 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:
i think he's trying to get it fixed. he hired gonzales and he hired kragthorpe. he let crowton go. then kragthorpe gets sick and we have stud. he's giving this a try but miles is not going to accept what's going on now. i give him credit for trying to work with the kragthorpe situation and give stud his shot. if the woes don't get fixed, miles with do what's right; he always has and he will continue to. but many fans want instant change and that appears not to be possible. at years end, i feel sure we will see changes on the offensive side of the ball.unless stud and krag turn it around. i believe they are busting their arse to do so but the progress is damn slow. it's difficult to be patient but impatience is not necessarily good. should he fire stud tomorrow? what will that do to our season, esp. with the revolving door on the OL. bet the offensive staff gets shuffled and a new OC is hired in teh offseason. that probably means one offensive coach will have to leave.
Miles isn't going to hire any OC that will blow anyone away and that is fine with me. Someone as competent on the offensive side of the ball as the Chief is on the defensive side would be fine with me.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:47 pm to OGTiger
To the original post-
well, he did get a new OC. The poor guy just got a terrible disease shortly into his hiring, and we were forced into a hasty bit of shuffling. That shuffling resulted in a 13-1 season, with perhaps the most dominant regular season in school history (BCS rematch notwithstanding). Pretty tough to find a lot of fault in that, and very tough to justify firing someone to go hiring a replacement. That's first off.
Secondly, it's not like there are teeming pools of OCs that mesh with the current staff, personally and in philosophy, to pick and choose from. Miles has a winning percentage of about 80%, you gotta be careful not to disrupt things. Some offensive coordinators will want to bring in their own people, and that might mean replacing a valuable recruiter; the guy has to fit into Miles' plans.
Next, you have to be careful not to change too much scheme, or the experienced players are just as lost as new recruits. You would like freshmen starting if they are great players, but you don't want to lose upperclassmen because they no longer fit what the team does.
If things keep being such a struggle this entire season, Miles in the offseason will have to decide if the problem (passing game, as of now) is due to a schematic failure, growing pains going away from the read option we just dropped last season, a lot of new players (some due to injuries), etc, and then make a call. My guess is the biggest problem is the "new players" issue; Beckham for example showed last season he could do well in this scheme (which was what Lee ran). Now he's having a classic sophomore slump, with a new QB playing behind a makeshift O Line. Get our line healthy and intact, and return Mett and most of the skill players with a year's experience together, and I think we'll be fine.
well, he did get a new OC. The poor guy just got a terrible disease shortly into his hiring, and we were forced into a hasty bit of shuffling. That shuffling resulted in a 13-1 season, with perhaps the most dominant regular season in school history (BCS rematch notwithstanding). Pretty tough to find a lot of fault in that, and very tough to justify firing someone to go hiring a replacement. That's first off.
Secondly, it's not like there are teeming pools of OCs that mesh with the current staff, personally and in philosophy, to pick and choose from. Miles has a winning percentage of about 80%, you gotta be careful not to disrupt things. Some offensive coordinators will want to bring in their own people, and that might mean replacing a valuable recruiter; the guy has to fit into Miles' plans.
Next, you have to be careful not to change too much scheme, or the experienced players are just as lost as new recruits. You would like freshmen starting if they are great players, but you don't want to lose upperclassmen because they no longer fit what the team does.
If things keep being such a struggle this entire season, Miles in the offseason will have to decide if the problem (passing game, as of now) is due to a schematic failure, growing pains going away from the read option we just dropped last season, a lot of new players (some due to injuries), etc, and then make a call. My guess is the biggest problem is the "new players" issue; Beckham for example showed last season he could do well in this scheme (which was what Lee ran). Now he's having a classic sophomore slump, with a new QB playing behind a makeshift O Line. Get our line healthy and intact, and return Mett and most of the skill players with a year's experience together, and I think we'll be fine.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
These are the head in the sand folks. I have no idea why they even come to a discussion board.
you crack me up man. if someone doesn't agree with you, you accuse them of having their head in the sand. you may want to consider that they have a right to an opinion, even if it disagrees with yours and that their opinion just might be well thought out and their experiences reveal a different solution to the problem. having their head in the sand means not paying attention and hoping problems go away. i, for one, disagree with most of what you post and your approach to solving this teams problems. i offer other solutions which means my fricking head is not in the sand; it simply means i disagree with you. you think your are right and that's fine. but there are some pretty smart and level headed people on here so you might at least listen to them and consider their points. what yuo refuse to believe is that every coach, every player and every fan ACTUALLY KNOWS OUR PASSING GAME SUCKS. the difference is that two of those groups are busting their arse trying to fix it as soon as possible while the fans just sit around and bitch.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Miles isn't going to hire any OC that will blow anyone away and that is fine with me. Someone as competent on the offensive side of the ball as the Chief is on the defensive side would be fine with me.
Ummm... If we got a top 5 offense every year to go with our top 5 defense, that would blow me away.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:55 pm to OGTiger
quote:
All is well now but when the gumps come to town and shut the vaunted LSU running game down and the passing game is nowhere to be found (see MNC game) all hell is gonna break loose.
You do realize that Bama rarely shuts down our running game , right? Jan.9th was an outlier
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:09 pm to Scoob
Thanks Scoob for a very insightful and thought out response. Your reply is the reason I started reading the Rant years ago.
I wish there was more of this kind of discussion.
Instead, it's full of proof-readers and those that just want to criticize anything and everything someone posts.
I wish there was more of this kind of discussion.
Instead, it's full of proof-readers and those that just want to criticize anything and everything someone posts.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:10 pm to OGTiger
Maybe it is because certain topics like OC/Offense/Passing or just Les Miles will bring out enough asinine posts to derail the threads, therefore some folks try to , in vain, stem the growth at it's infancy.
The one thing that I dislike about TD and envy in other forums is that THERE IS THAT LITTLE BIT OF extra HOMERISM and Positive attitude and dare I say it -even hope that the team will win against all comers.
I am all for proper discussion and bringing any and all topics to the table but by and large there seems to be too much negative discussion that takes the fun out of being a fan and supporting a team.
For e.g. LSU has beaten Bama with a bad offense and worse D in 2010 and with a similar offense and great D in 2011 , yet we harp on the one NC game (yes it was a loss on a major level but no reason for this overwhelming scything attack for every single game).
LSU is a ranked SEC team in a top echelon, winning program for the past decade,and we see upsets every single saturday, yet just go through the threads and you would automatically assume that this is a fan base of a WAC team facing an NFL team.
Yes the passing game is horrible but we have a very great running game ,(except for a couple of games)good ST and an enviable Defense. Instead there are more threads about the negative aspects than the positive.
I get that LSU is at a certain level and hence that extra 5% is more important to win titles but that is no reason to not feel good and discuss a lot about the other 95%.
A bit cliched but it seems like , in the name of pseudo football intellectualism, we are not seeing the forest for the trees in terms of enjoying the wins.
The one thing that I dislike about TD and envy in other forums is that THERE IS THAT LITTLE BIT OF extra HOMERISM and Positive attitude and dare I say it -even hope that the team will win against all comers.
I am all for proper discussion and bringing any and all topics to the table but by and large there seems to be too much negative discussion that takes the fun out of being a fan and supporting a team.
For e.g. LSU has beaten Bama with a bad offense and worse D in 2010 and with a similar offense and great D in 2011 , yet we harp on the one NC game (yes it was a loss on a major level but no reason for this overwhelming scything attack for every single game).
LSU is a ranked SEC team in a top echelon, winning program for the past decade,and we see upsets every single saturday, yet just go through the threads and you would automatically assume that this is a fan base of a WAC team facing an NFL team.
Yes the passing game is horrible but we have a very great running game ,(except for a couple of games)good ST and an enviable Defense. Instead there are more threads about the negative aspects than the positive.
I get that LSU is at a certain level and hence that extra 5% is more important to win titles but that is no reason to not feel good and discuss a lot about the other 95%.
A bit cliched but it seems like , in the name of pseudo football intellectualism, we are not seeing the forest for the trees in terms of enjoying the wins.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
These are the head in the sand folks. I have no idea why they even come to a discussion board
i'm liking your posts more and more
even on the poli board
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:15 pm to OGTiger
What if the offseason changes get a little crazy and Stud hauls arse, Krag hauls arse, it all happens late, no real resume guys are available for either OL or OC, and les makes a decision that isn't very good hires? That would be damn near a complete staff changeover in less than two years.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:12 am to Dodd
Didn't Stud have a good offense at bowling green as OC? I'm really not even sure what the problem is. All I know is that year after year our passing game sucks. This year it seems like dropped balls, injuries, and passing accuracy are the biggest culprits. TM and RR were never really replaced either.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:16 am to Malaysian Tiger
quote:
Miles was O/C
Krag wss O/C and QB Coach
Stud was O/C
Ensminger was O/C, QB Coach,and one of the better QB that LSU had. He brought us back at Ole Miss when LSU was down 0-21 at the Half to win 28-21.
Henry was O/C
How many O/C's do we need??
One thats good, and none of the above are.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
These are the head in the sand folks. I have no idea why they even come to a discussion board.
Then why bring it up if you don't like the responses? It's like y'all would prefer sit in a chat room with a bunch of other miserable fricks with the sole purpose to bitch.
Let me give y'all a few hints:
1) NOTHING you say on this board will change the way the coaches coach.
2) NOTHING a posi tiger can say will change a negatiger's opinion on the subject
3) see #2. Vice versa
4) if you know what everyone is going to say in response, why bring it up?
Its not a secret. But the options are limited. You can root for your team, find another team, or just sulk. None of you crying about the obvious will change anything.
FTR, I'm not against criticism. Just the way some of you (both sides) act is juvenile and moot. Say your piece but don't cry when other ppl have a different opinion.
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