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Lance officially losing titles
Posted on 10/22/12 at 7:21 am
Posted on 10/22/12 at 7:21 am
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GENEVA -- Cycling's governing body agreed Monday to strip Lance Armstrong of his seven Tour de France titles and ban him for life, following a report from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that accused him of leading a massive doping program on his teams.
UCI President Pat McQuaid announced that the federation accepted the USADA's report on Armstrong and would not appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
The decision clears the way for Tour de France organizers to officially remove Armstrong's name from the record books, erasing his consecutive victories from 1999-2005.
GENEVA -- Cycling's governing body agreed Monday to strip Lance Armstrong of his seven Tour de France titles and ban him for life, following a report from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that accused him of leading a massive doping program on his teams.
UCI President Pat McQuaid announced that the federation accepted the USADA's report on Armstrong and would not appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
The decision clears the way for Tour de France organizers to officially remove Armstrong's name from the record books, erasing his consecutive victories from 1999-2005.
This post was edited on 10/22/12 at 7:34 am
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Posted on 10/22/12 at 7:25 am to coopsdad
Posted on 10/22/12 at 8:29 am to coopsdad
Auburn will claim those tour victories for 
This post was edited on 10/22/12 at 8:30 am
Posted on 10/22/12 at 8:30 am to Zamoro10
Are you sure you didn't mean Bama instead? 
Posted on 10/22/12 at 8:31 am to RollDamnTide
Nah, Bama co-claims...Auburn only claims "stripped" titles from others.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 8:55 am to RollDamnTide
Posted on 10/22/12 at 9:10 am to Papa Tigah
Congrats to Lance on his career best 36th place finish in the Tour
Posted on 10/22/12 at 9:25 am to RollDamnTide
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Are you sure you didn't mean Bama instead?
Posted on 10/22/12 at 9:27 am to tigerpimpbot
Total horseshite. It is like trying to clean up bodybuilding.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:05 pm to coopsdad
Yes!!! frick Lance Armstrong. I agree with the quote where the guy said, "Lance Armstrong deserves to be forgotten." His former teammates will be both sad and happy over this. Sad because they had a cheater on their team, but happy because they hate that motherfricker.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 2:21 pm to Froman
I've said it once and I'll say it again: One of the following is true. Either A. Lance was cheating just like everyone else and still was the best amongst an equal playing field, or B. Lance wasn't cheating and still kicked their asses.
First rule of government spending is if you try long enough and spend enough money, you will get a result whether its true or not.
First rule of government spending is if you try long enough and spend enough money, you will get a result whether its true or not.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 2:27 pm to elprez00
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I've said it once and I'll say it again: One of the following is true. Either A. Lance was cheating just like everyone else and still was the best amongst an equal playing field, or B. Lance wasn't cheating and still kicked their asses.
+1000
Posted on 10/22/12 at 2:49 pm to coopsdad
This is something I posted on another board that applies to PED users in a variety of sports:
It was the FBI that did the heavy lifting in the Armstrong investigation and then just handed over its files, which included all the sworn testimony, to USADA. Without various law enforcement agencies on both sides of the pond (eg. Operacion Puerto, Festina scandal, Balco, Angel Heredia, etc.), there's a long list of athletes in cycling, track & field and baseball who would have never been exposed as dopers. Neither the UCI, the IAAF, MLB nor any of the other sports governing bodies will ever be able to stop athletes from doping until they get the power to issue subpoenas and conduct search warrants, because most people are afraid to lie under oath.
One big difference between doping in cycling and doping in other sports is that in cycling it's a team effort, versus individual efforts in other sports, which means that cyclists always have at least a dozen potential witnesses who can rat them out. This means that Armstrong had a lot more people to worry about than Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Bonds only had Greg Anderson (he went to prison instead of testify) to worry about and Clemens only had Brian McNamee (he got discredited due to his criminal record) and Andy Pettitte (he pulled a Frankie Pentangelli) to worry about.
It was the FBI that did the heavy lifting in the Armstrong investigation and then just handed over its files, which included all the sworn testimony, to USADA. Without various law enforcement agencies on both sides of the pond (eg. Operacion Puerto, Festina scandal, Balco, Angel Heredia, etc.), there's a long list of athletes in cycling, track & field and baseball who would have never been exposed as dopers. Neither the UCI, the IAAF, MLB nor any of the other sports governing bodies will ever be able to stop athletes from doping until they get the power to issue subpoenas and conduct search warrants, because most people are afraid to lie under oath.
One big difference between doping in cycling and doping in other sports is that in cycling it's a team effort, versus individual efforts in other sports, which means that cyclists always have at least a dozen potential witnesses who can rat them out. This means that Armstrong had a lot more people to worry about than Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Bonds only had Greg Anderson (he went to prison instead of testify) to worry about and Clemens only had Brian McNamee (he got discredited due to his criminal record) and Andy Pettitte (he pulled a Frankie Pentangelli) to worry about.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 2:53 pm to elprez00
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I've said it once and I'll say it again: One of the following is true. Either A. Lance was cheating just like everyone else and still was the best amongst an equal playing field, or B. Lance wasn't cheating and still kicked their asses.
A
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First rule of government spending is if you try long enough and spend enough money, you will get a result whether its true or not.
Wrong! You're suggesting that the Feds will frame people to get a conviction. The Feds may have a reputation for being persistent and chickenshit, they don't make a habit framing people. It took them 20 years to get Edwin Edwards but he was breaking the law when they finally got him.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 2:57 pm to coopsdad
Now USADA and WADA are setting their sights on the NBA.
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The director general of the World Anti-Doping Agency says the NBA's anti-doping program is insufficient.
"They've got gaps in their program, between what they do and what we suggest would be better," David Howman said.
"They know what we would suggest," added Howman, who calls for the NBA to test for human growth hormone, among other things. "And I would just hope that they would be discussing all of those things rather than just putting them on the side table."
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Posted on 10/22/12 at 3:06 pm to trackfan
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One big difference between doping in cycling and doping in other sports is that in cycling it's a team effort, versus individual efforts in other sports, which means that cyclists always have at least a dozen potential witnesses who can rat them out.
Bingo, and that is exactly how Lance ultimately went down...
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The teammates who submitted sworn affidavits — admitting their own doping and detailing Armstrong’s involvement in it — included some of the best cyclists of Armstrong’s generation: Levi Leipheimer, Tyler Hamilton and George Hincapie, one of the most respected American riders in recent history. Other teammates who came forward with information were Frankie Andreu, Michael Barry, Tom Danielson, Floyd Landis, Stephen Swart, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters and David Zabriskie.
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Essentially the entire postal team and at this point, anyone who doesn't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Lance was a colossal cheat just simply doesn't WANT to know.
To those who simply say that Lance still won all of his tours as a doper when everyone was doping - that is true to an extent.
If Lance was a swimmer and EVERYONE was doping that would make Lance the best swimmer amongst a field of cheaters and head to head he still kicked everyone else's arse.
However in cycling it is a bit different. Think of Lance as the New York Yankees of cycling. More money than everyone else and he gets all of the best riders to help him win tours. So he has the most talented riders on the planet year in and year out.
Now, he also forces them ALL to dope and he has the best drugs and the best system for evading getting caught cheating. Now you have the whole picture.
It's like if Barry Bonds had the BEST roids and the BEST way to beat the system and his ownership gets the BEST players on the planet and Bonds/Manager basically force the entire team to dope to win multiple World Series championships.
That's a fair comparison to what happened with Lance, provided PED testing was taking place when Bonds was breaking records.
This post was edited on 10/22/12 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 10/22/12 at 3:16 pm to kbro
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Barry Bonds was the biggest name in cheating in an era that was rampant with cheaters. Lance is the Barry Bonds of his era of cycling.
One huge difference between Bonds and Armstrong is that Bonds used PED's at a time when MLB had no drug testing/enforcement program. I would lump baseball players who doped after 2003 (eg. Manny Ramirez, Rafeal Palmiero, Melky Cabrerra, Ryan Brain, etc.) with Lance Armstrong. But I would lump folks who doped before 2003 (eg. Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, Sosa, McGuire, etc.) with the olders players from the 60's and 70's (eg. Mays, Mantle, Rose, etc.) who popped amphetamines like they were Tic-Tacs.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 3:25 pm to trackfan
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trackfan
I edited while you were typing this, but yeah I'm with you.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 3:53 pm to kbro
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Now, he also forces them ALL to dope and he has the best drugs and the best system for evading getting caught cheating. Now you have the whole picture.
It's like if Barry Bonds had the BEST roids and the BEST way to beat the system and his ownership gets the BEST players on the planet and Bonds/Manager basically force the entire team to dope to win multiple World Series championships.
The way I understand it, I don't think Lance ever forced anyone to dope. As long as you could ride, he didn't care what you did, but remember he always handpicked the team roster for the Tour, so if weren't you riding impressively in the early season races leading up to the Tour, you probably weren't going to get picked for the Tour, so riders had a lot of self-motivation to do what they needed to do in order to keep up. In 2000, Frankie Andreu was struggling to stay with the front of the peleton as they headed into the Alps. Before the stage to Sestriere, Lance emphasized to Andreu that he would need him to be with him all the way to the summit. Andreu knew he wouldn't be able to climb Sestriere with the best climbers in the world without PED's, so he did what he needed to do. Also, according to Tyler Hamilton, Armstrong didn't offer EPO to him but he did provide it to him whenever he asked for it.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 3:56 pm to coopsdad
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