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TheHiddenFlask
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With the market in my eyes being artificially inflated and the political uncertainty, tough to reallocate. Looking for some alpha.


I'm usually an alpha hawk, but right now, I'm just trying to avoid negative alpha.

Can't believe B&TIJ got left off.

Side note - I'm slightly embarassed to admit that I didn't catch the awesomeness of your name until ~6 months of you posting on here. It now makes me chuckle every time.






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BennyAndTheInkJets
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What's your take on near to intermediate term US treasury rates? Tried shorting a few bonds last spring- no bueno, timing was off.

Your third sentence is kind of my answer on this question. Corporate issuers are expediting their issuance calendars before the election. From what I've heard, they are worried about uncertainty with the election outcomes/fiscal cliff, because right now we have put a lot of hope on the thought that the lame duck session will be more productive than the past 2 years combined.

So looking at a normal distribution scenario analysis you have the following probabilities:
Right tail - Lame duck has a grand bargain, interest rates rise.
Middle Right - You have bickering but not as similar to last August before they agree to a band-aid, muddle through scenario. Interest rates fall then rise, net small rise.
Middle Left - Bickering similar to last August before a last second deal. Rates fall then bottom, net fall.
Left Tail - We go over the cliff, immediate sequesters take effect. Interest rates are uncertain here, do you have a last August flight to quality scenario or are investors fed up with Washington and start dropping holdings?

Unfortunately I'm seeing a lot of evidence suggesting the left tail may be fatter than people think. Pubs all signed the pact to not raise taxes and Romney is gaining in the polls. If you have a Pub WH and a Pub Congress, they have absolutely no incentive to give anything to Dems. They can just let the cliff go over and start voting down taxes to fulfill their pact while sitting on the "look at how we fixed what the Dems did" platform.

So in summary you don't have a lot of risk for a leg down in rates unless you have a flight scenario with the cliff. A good deal of upside though. Unfortunately I can't give you a forecast because that left tail is so uncertain, which goes back to my first point about corporate issuance. I'd stay out of any US rates trades in 4Q.






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BennyAndTheInkJets
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Side note - I'm slightly embarassed to admit that I didn't catch the awesomeness of your name until ~6 months of you posting on here. It now makes me chuckle every time.

When people see it they think I hate Bernanke. Absolute opposite, absolutely love that guy. He's been the only real leader this country has had since 2005, and saved us from the brink of disaster. I could go into all the reasons he's set the country up to succeed given our structural problems but that would be an essay.

Got to give credit where credit is due, Tyler on ZH was the author of the name in one post like 3 years ago. Only said it once in the middle of a long winded rant and never again but as soon as I saw it, it stuck.



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GoCrazyAuburn
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When people see it they think I hate Bernanke. Absolute opposite, absolutely love that guy. He's been the only real leader this country has had since 2005, and saved us from the brink of disaster. I could go into all the reasons he's set the country up to succeed given our structural problems but that would be an essay.



I'd actually be very interested in reading that, as there aren't many who have that view. Always love reading differing viewpoints on this board.



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TheHiddenFlask
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I'm also a big bernanke fan, as far as most people go. I don't think we could have had a more perfect resume lead us through this mess.





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AUtigerNOLA
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I agree. He knows how this system works.





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I nominate amsterdam as the Edward Jones specialist.





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NC_Tigah
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I don't think we could have had a more perfect resume lead us through this mess.
Like Churchill who was the perfect leader for WWII, Bernanke prepared his entire life for his moment in Oct 2008. But like Churchill who after the war found his time had more-or-less passed, so too has Bernanke's IMO.






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TheHiddenFlask
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Like Churchill who was the perfect leader for WWII, Bernanke prepared his entire life for his moment in Oct 2008. But like Churchill who after the war found his time had more-or-less passed, so too has Bernanke's IMO.



I think that's probably one of the most agreeable statements I've ever heard.






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NC_Tigah
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A Who's Who of the Money Board...
While we're in a who's who mode, kfizzle is quite a loss to this board. I read much more than post here. Folks noted in this thread are very good for the most part, but Kfizz is missed.






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BennyAndTheInkJets
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Like Churchill who was the perfect leader for WWII, Bernanke prepared his entire life for his moment in Oct 2008. But like Churchill who after the war found his time had more-or-less passed, so too has Bernanke's IMO.

This is one of the best Bernanke quotes I've ever heard. Simply because I read this I will lay out my reasons for loving the guy later today. Bravo, sir.
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kfizzle

Huge loss to the board. Not only from the knowledge perspective but especially his frequency of posting an willingness to point out incorrect information. No room for thin-skins in finance, people should be thankful when somebody points out incorrect information. Guarding from losses is much more important than somebody's ego.



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greenhead11
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I'm usually an alpha hawk, but right now, I'm just trying to avoid negative alpha.


Yea Im at my highest cash allocation ive ever had... I feel even more compelled right now to chase alpha since I opted not to use the assets I had to help payful school. Thus my benchmark may as well be 6.8% - the rate at which the federal gov is freakin me with.

I am also simply am out of ideas. Not a whole lot I feel comfortable playing long- other then positions like KO & MCD that i'll likely hold forever. Definitely dont want to be long treasuries, being short has never worked for me. Real estate= my largest position






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BennyAndTheInkJets
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I'd actually be very interested in reading that, as there aren't many who have that view. Always love reading differing viewpoints on this board.

So here's my take on Bernanke.

He first took office in 2005 we were already in the midst of a speculative bubble of which size nobody could've imagined the magnitude at the time. He did see the inflationary pressures and started hiking rates. He, however, did note the pressures in the housing market early. Nothing really to note in this time period.

Crisis - It was obvious that Lehman was the only shock that the market could handle at the time. He basically force fed BofA Merrill because he knew how bad the Countrywide mortgage portfolio was on Merrill's balance sheet. If that stuff went on fire sale after Bear and Lehman than all bets were off. The biggest things he did to help us from going over the edge into a deflationary spiral was (1) guaranteeing CP issuance because funding had completely frozen up. Everyone was so scared at this time if corporations couldn't even issue CP then they would cease to run as entities, and the economy was cease to exist as we know it. (2) Advising the FDIC to guarantee all non-interest bearing deposits (the TAG program). If the FDIC didn't do that than you have a run on the banks of epic proportions, and the entire financial system ceases to exist as we know it. (3) He helped smooth out the mortgage losses by buying all the illiquid CMBS, CMOs, and ABS that were toxic on banks balance sheets to where they could actually deploy capital and get the economy's gears turning again with QE1. There is a laundry list of more programs: TARP, TALF, money market fund guarantee, etc.

Actions beyond this point must be thought of in this context, Ben would do anything and everything to hold back a deflationary spiral. The market was and is so fragile, moreso in '09, so the one thing that could send us back into a deflationary spiral was a market shock. This is the key, everyone thinks Bernanke is focusing on the Treasury or mortgage markets with QE programs, but there is one market that has been the most affected by these programs by far, VOLATILITY. If you look at normalized swaption volatility since the start of the QE programs, its been a nose dive down. Bernanke essentially took out those 1 or 2 standard deviation moves from the market so you don't have the same threat of a market shock. When people are scared you have to calm them down, taking out volatility does this.

In my opinion, that was his main goal and one he succeeded at brilliantly. The only time since then we've had huge bouts of volatility was last August because senior traders weren't on their desks. In most of the fixed income and funding markets, trading is done by people that just know each other and call to trade. So in early August when these guys weren't on their desks and banks had to raise capital, junior guys turned to their most liquid assets, equities. That's why you had the 500 point moves back and forth. Nothing to do with Bernanke, politics messed this one up with the fiscal cliff debacle and started those back and forth swings.

Now to the specifics with the QE programs. There were three goals for QE2 and OpTwist, flatten the forward yield curve, reduce interest rate volatility, and push investors into riskier assets. The consequential goals, those that Ben can't control, didn't work out as well as he'd hoped. With rates so low in the market and pension liabilities so high, one thing makes perfect sense that not many pension plans did and I am still at a loss why, issue debt to fund pension liabilities. I mean, the freaking 10-year was lower than most plans servicing costs. Ben can't force them to do this but he did everything but, and they still didn't. They were too worried about tax uncertainty due to government regulation (ObamaCare, Dodd Frank). Once again, politics screwed this one up and corporations are partly to blame too.

QE3 and the mortgage market. So Ben first tried to spur risk assets from treasuries, worked but not how he would like. Same story for OpTwist. He knows the mortgage transmission mechanism that was used by so many previous Fed president's is broken because mortgage rates are so low. So how do you spur banks to lower their mortgage rate? Soak up as many lower coupon treasuries as you can so that par coupon (what banks pay at) is so low that they can lower the mortgage rate and still keep their spread. Houses pay less on their homes, which is the largest portion of equity for households, and consumers have more cash to spend. However, once again, regulation has screwed this one up too. Uncertainty about regulation on banks and STILL pending litigation from the government over mortgage lending and settlements have made banks very scared to lower their mortgage rates, because thats really the only portfolios that banks are making money on.

This is why Bernanke continues to ask the government to take some action, because all they've done is frick everything he's tried to do up. He has set the country up to come out of this funk so well: Rates are low for borrowing, rates are low for homes, markets are stable, and we didn't have a big deflationary threat before the fiscal cliff (thanks again government). He has literally done everything to save this country, and now he is a punching bag for those frickstick politicians that have done literally everything to frick this country over for what? Political bickering and power.

Bernanke is a real leader, one that will make the tough decisions and willing to take the blame because he knows what is best for the country. He'll be the punching bag all day as long as the country's arms have energy to punch. A true leader.

Politicians, take notes you fricking cowards.



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GoCrazyAuburn
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Interesting stuff for sure.






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BennyAndTheInkJets
good write up.






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TheHiddenFlask
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BennyAndTheInkJets


That's a great write up. Those brilliant streams of consciousness are something the the board has really lacked since Kfizz left.







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OnTheBrink
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Exactly the reason I like this board so much!!! I am an admitted "learner" here and I enjoy these types of posts! Thanks you sir!

On a side note, I would always get kfizzle and foshizzle confused. Did kifizzle leave because the "tech" guy got his feelings hurt or am I thinking of someone else?






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TheHiddenFlask
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It wasn't the tech guy (scoop). It was GFunk being a giant troll punk.





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Ford Frenzy - CPA in public accounting





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