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re: I have read a variety of idiotic opinions on this site
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:41 pm to ThomasDunson
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:41 pm to ThomasDunson
quote:One can only hope. Never seen someone get so worked up over what a college kid wears.
My work is done here.
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Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:41 pm to ThomasDunson
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Tigers rarely change their stripes
While in general I agree with this statement... its only true when comparing apples to apples.
3rd string backup QB =/= Starting QB with all the hopes and aspirations of the Tiger Nation and your team mates on your shoulders.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:42 pm to Devious
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One can only hope. Never seen someone get so worked up over what a college kid wears.
No no no it's not what he wears. It's what he THINKS.
Apparently Thomas knows what Mett thinks. This guy is laughable.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:44 pm to LSUnation78
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3rd string backup QB =/= Starting QB with all the hopes and aspirations of the Tiger Nation and your team mates on your shoulders.
I hope you are right. Saturday may provide some answers.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:44 pm to LSUnation78
Let me turn this around for a second, if you will indulge me.
To get an idea of how well you pay attention and can evaluate play,
Please tell me the positives you see in Mett. You have enumerated your negatives, what positives have you seen? As specific as you can please.
To get an idea of how well you pay attention and can evaluate play,
Please tell me the positives you see in Mett. You have enumerated your negatives, what positives have you seen? As specific as you can please.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:45 pm to ThomasDunson
I am still waiting for what was in that article you linked that said Mett doesn't give his all and there are indications that he is not into it.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:48 pm to LSUnation78
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Please tell me the positives you see in Mett. You have enumerated your negatives, what positives have you seen? As specific as you can please.
Truly, at this point in the season, the positives are in short supply in my view. The obvious positive is his arm strength, combined with the touch that he is able to put on the ball when needed. He throws a nice deep ball. In all honesty, that's about all I see.
So you can evaluate, here is what I see as negatives: bad/inconsistent footwork causing him to miss high; no pocket presence -- ability to react to a defense, move within the pocket or otherwise salvage a play; terrible mobility; locks on to guys/locks on to first read; and he has missed some guys in progressions.
Some of this could be cured by time/experience, some may not. What do you think his strengths and weaknesses are?
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Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:51 pm to ThomasDunson
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Truly, at this point in the season, the positives are in short supply in my view. The obvious positive is his arm strength, combined with the touch that he is able to put on the ball when needed. He throws a nice deep ball. In all honesty, that's about all I see.
So you can evaluate, here is what I see as negatives: bad/inconsistent footwork causing him to miss high; no pocket presence -- ability to react to a defense, move within the pocket or otherwise salvage a play; terrible mobility; locks on to guys/locks on to first read; and he has missed some guys in progressions.
Some of this could be cured by time/experience, so may not. What do you think his strengths and weaknesses are?
Now tell us the positives and negatives you see in the QB you want to replace Mett
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:52 pm to TruLsu
quote:He's a sharply dressed young man.
Now tell us the positives and negatives you see in the QB you want to replace Mett
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:55 pm to ThomasDunson
So dumb son...So Dumb..
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:57 pm to TruLsu
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Now tell us the positives and negatives you see in the QB you want to replace Mett
He's not Mett (I realize this may go over your head. But as the saying goes, you can take the redneck out of Walker, but you cannot take the Walker out of the redneck).
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:09 pm to ThomasDunson
Positives are mainly that I see improvement week to week. (Against FLA this weekend he got out of the pocket and threw the ball away when his receivers weren't open instead of forcing something like in previous weeks) His placement on balls (some of the time)is far superior to what LSU has had for some time now. Some of his passes are put into that perfect window where only the receiver has a shot at the catch... The ball placement I have seen glimpses of is truly in the upper echelon of college QBs. AGAIN i said glimpses... not 100% consistent.
This I agree with, and is a cause for his inconsistent accuracy. Putting the ball on the receivers back shoulder with the DB covering him inside against Auburn (to wright or boone, don't recall off the top of my head) is something I have not seen a QB do for LSU in years.
I have seen him step up in the pocket to deliver strikes several times. Is he a burner? NO
This also kind of goes back to your point on footwork. If he has footwork problems (mainly getting a good base before throwing) I don't want him rolling out, because then his lack of footwork is highlighted more when he tries to throw off of a back foot or something while rolling out and being run down by faster DEs.
Trying to salvage plays and doing more on his own is not what we need him to be doing. I was an Offensive tackle in college, nothing is more frustrating than a QB with happy feet when you are trying to form a nice pocket for him to be able to step up in to (if need be) and deliver a strike. If the O-line could be more consistent in pass protection and not need 7-man protections for the entire game then his lack of mobility is irrelevant.
Goes back to being in 7-man protections for an entire game. When you only have 1 or two receivers running routes, locking onto them really isn't a big deal. You aren't disguising your target by not looking at him... the DBs can see the one or two people you have out in routes. Not locking onto a receiver only helps because you keep the coverage guessing where its going, that doesn't really work too well with only two options, and one of them just ran a 5 yrd curl route on 3rd and 10.
Sure has, but on most of the plays I saw this happen the play was called for a specific player.
Example, a RB pass to flats is used to try and keep a blitzing D honest. Usually when one of those types of players are called, there are no reads. It is simply pass it to this person.
Also there are occasions I have seen people here on the rant say so-and-so was open, could have been a touchdown. But when you watch the play, you can see that receiver was covered until the ball was in the air to another receiver and the DB broke off coverage.
Also, you can watch any NFL QB. Missing some open guys happens at all levels of football. And I do not think Mett does this very often. From what I have seen our WRs have a very hard time getting open to begin with.
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bad/inconsistent footwork causing him to miss
This I agree with, and is a cause for his inconsistent accuracy. Putting the ball on the receivers back shoulder with the DB covering him inside against Auburn (to wright or boone, don't recall off the top of my head) is something I have not seen a QB do for LSU in years.
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move within the pocket or otherwise salvage a play
I have seen him step up in the pocket to deliver strikes several times. Is he a burner? NO
This also kind of goes back to your point on footwork. If he has footwork problems (mainly getting a good base before throwing) I don't want him rolling out, because then his lack of footwork is highlighted more when he tries to throw off of a back foot or something while rolling out and being run down by faster DEs.
Trying to salvage plays and doing more on his own is not what we need him to be doing. I was an Offensive tackle in college, nothing is more frustrating than a QB with happy feet when you are trying to form a nice pocket for him to be able to step up in to (if need be) and deliver a strike. If the O-line could be more consistent in pass protection and not need 7-man protections for the entire game then his lack of mobility is irrelevant.
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locks on to guys/locks on to first read
Goes back to being in 7-man protections for an entire game. When you only have 1 or two receivers running routes, locking onto them really isn't a big deal. You aren't disguising your target by not looking at him... the DBs can see the one or two people you have out in routes. Not locking onto a receiver only helps because you keep the coverage guessing where its going, that doesn't really work too well with only two options, and one of them just ran a 5 yrd curl route on 3rd and 10.
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and he has missed some guys in progressions
Sure has, but on most of the plays I saw this happen the play was called for a specific player.
Example, a RB pass to flats is used to try and keep a blitzing D honest. Usually when one of those types of players are called, there are no reads. It is simply pass it to this person.
Also there are occasions I have seen people here on the rant say so-and-so was open, could have been a touchdown. But when you watch the play, you can see that receiver was covered until the ball was in the air to another receiver and the DB broke off coverage.
Also, you can watch any NFL QB. Missing some open guys happens at all levels of football. And I do not think Mett does this very often. From what I have seen our WRs have a very hard time getting open to begin with.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:12 pm to ThomasDunson
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ThomasDunson
OK. I get it. Alter?
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:16 pm to LSUnation78
Nice analysis, and good football exchange. I would love nothing more for the guy to be great, I worry though that he is going to be closer to average.
With the exception of Towson, agree with you here.
This is the major issue I see -- consistency. I expect a little better at this point.
I hear you, and there is no right answer, but he has to address this. Whether it be in increased presence/recognition of what the defense is going to do, or something else, he has to be more thna a one-trick pony. those guys cannot survive a full-slate of SEC-defenses. I was more thinking of towards the end of UF game and at times against Towson when they ran multiple wide sets.
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I see improvement week to week.
With the exception of Towson, agree with you here.
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AGAIN i said glimpses... not 100% consistent.
This is the major issue I see -- consistency. I expect a little better at this point.
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Goes back to being in 7-man protections for an entire game. When you only have 1 or two receivers running routes, locking onto them really isn't a big deal. You aren't disguising your target by not looking at him... the DBs can see the one or two people you have out in routes. Not locking onto a receiver only helps because you keep the coverage guessing where its going, that doesn't really work too well with only two options, and one of them just ran a 5 yrd curl route on 3rd and 10.
I hear you, and there is no right answer, but he has to address this. Whether it be in increased presence/recognition of what the defense is going to do, or something else, he has to be more thna a one-trick pony. those guys cannot survive a full-slate of SEC-defenses. I was more thinking of towards the end of UF game and at times against Towson when they ran multiple wide sets.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:30 pm to ThomasDunson
Towson was a cluster at every position on the field... i try not to think about that game. lol
The issue with consistency is it can be caused by factors other than the QB. QB hurries, WRs dropping balls, WRs being blanketed and breaking off their route to run back to the QB when he scrambles (so the QB And WR don't know what the other is going to do) are all things that can influence the perception of consistency. If we get improved and more consistent line and receiver play, I honestly think Mett will be more consistent.
Drew Brees looks pedestrian too when he is lying on the turf every play, or when you look at his box score and ignore the fact that henderson has bricks for hands (used to). And he atleast has more than 1 target to choose from.
As far as D recognition... I kinda put this on the coaches for the time being. On offense they run up to the line get set, and instead of Mett reading the D and possibly calling an audible, the coaches have the team checking with the side lines. So the responsibility of reading the d-pre snap is kinda taken off the responsibility of the QB. Miles likes to do this, so I wouldn't necessarily say that this is the case because they think Mett is dumb.
The point is the time MEtt WOULD be reading the D... he is spending looking at the sideline getting an audible call. That takes away precious seconds for him to be watching the D players for any hints as to what they will do post-snap.
The issue with consistency is it can be caused by factors other than the QB. QB hurries, WRs dropping balls, WRs being blanketed and breaking off their route to run back to the QB when he scrambles (so the QB And WR don't know what the other is going to do) are all things that can influence the perception of consistency. If we get improved and more consistent line and receiver play, I honestly think Mett will be more consistent.
Drew Brees looks pedestrian too when he is lying on the turf every play, or when you look at his box score and ignore the fact that henderson has bricks for hands (used to). And he atleast has more than 1 target to choose from.
As far as D recognition... I kinda put this on the coaches for the time being. On offense they run up to the line get set, and instead of Mett reading the D and possibly calling an audible, the coaches have the team checking with the side lines. So the responsibility of reading the d-pre snap is kinda taken off the responsibility of the QB. Miles likes to do this, so I wouldn't necessarily say that this is the case because they think Mett is dumb.
The point is the time MEtt WOULD be reading the D... he is spending looking at the sideline getting an audible call. That takes away precious seconds for him to be watching the D players for any hints as to what they will do post-snap.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:34 pm to LSUnation78
Can bolden and rivers throw and catch the same pass?
If so, I have no problem benching Mett because that would be pretty fricking awesome.
If so, I have no problem benching Mett because that would be pretty fricking awesome.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:04 pm to ThomasDunson
quote:So Mett is so bad in your eyes, that anybody else is better?
He's not Mett.
Jesus christ
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(I realize this may go over your head. But as the saying goes, you can take the redneck out of Walker, but you cannot take the Walker out of the redneck)
This is a clown quote broPosted on 10/9/12 at 3:09 pm to ThomasDunson
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I see improvement week to week.
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With the exception of Towson, agree with you here.
So you want to bench the qb who has shown improvement every week?
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:25 pm to TruLsu
I know another QB doing fine with his mobility issues... goes by the name Tom Brady. C'mon man - this is a complete offensive scheming break down.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:33 pm to GeauxDat1207
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know another QB doing fine with his mobility issues... goes by the name Tom Brady. C'mon man - this is a complete offensive scheming break down.
Part scheming part execution. O-line can't pass protect well enough to go into 5-man protections = less receivers running routes. WRs dropping catchable balls and not getting open enough = passing numbers not being what they should be
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