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Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:45 pm to
Posted by thenry712
Zasullia, Ukraine
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:45 pm to
Send your complaints here Sir Lion.

Posted by WarSlamEagle
Manchester United Fan
Member since Sep 2011
24611 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:47 pm to
It's that media guide height bump...happened in HS basketball all the time. I was announced as 6'3", while in reality I'm about 6'1.5".
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:52 pm to
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The wingers and forwards will most likely be smaller guys for obvious reasons, but I think we'll see more of these super athletic, super technical players in the future. More Toures.


I really don't. Toure is a fine player, but he is a physical powerhouse, but he's not exactly a technical wizard. He has good technique. He's no Vieria, who was a bigger, faster, stronger, more technical version of Toure.

It's just really rare to find players over 6 foot who truly have superb technical ability.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:59 pm to
It's what made RvP so damn beautiful to watch, that traitor. His grace looked so awkward.

Diaby might be the best mix of height and skill, but he is always injured.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24804 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:03 pm to
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It's that media guide height bump...happened in HS basketball all the time. I was announced as 6'3", while in reality I'm about 6'1.5".



I hear you, but I'm taking that over someone's word.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28614 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:07 pm to
Cazorla isn't as good as Cesc.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
22266 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:09 pm to
Suso is the future...
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50247 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:09 pm to
Bho, believe it or not, I post what is. I have no need to embellish, as I believe all my posts have born out.

I gain nothing saying I'm taller, nor shorter. I know what I say as to my height doesn't affect what fellow posters think of my posts. Now, as to the height of the two beasts in question, I'm merely pointing out fact for all to be orientated. I sincerely doubt one would think less or more of them, based upon their height.

By the way, nobody caught it. When I met Zinedine Zidane, he still had some semblance of hair.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:10 pm to
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It's what made RvP so damn beautiful to watch, that traitor. His grace looked so awkward.



Yeah he is magnificent when receiving the ball. Adebayor and Ronaldo also have insanely good height to skill ratios. Also Ibrahimovic. Pastore is no slouch.

There are plenty of tall, skillful players. It's hard to tell sometimes because they usually such a physical advantages. They do have some advantages, but the main prerequisite for being a good player is the ability to do something with the ball.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50247 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:10 pm to
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Cazorla isn't as good as Cesc.
I answer this, as I see you responded to me. Equine posterior entity, please note, I've said twice, they are two different players.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28614 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:11 pm to
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Suso is the future


He'll break onto the scene in a year or two
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50247 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:16 pm to
Suso has all the makings to be amazing.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:16 pm to
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Cazorla isn't as good as Cesc.



I see them as different types of players. Cazorla is a way better athlete than Cesc. He doesn't have the passing range, but he has that rare ability to control the game from between the lines. He's a classic Spanish media punta. Cesc developed that ability after Wenger forced him to play behind the striker in 2008, but he is a player who seems most comfortable facing the game head on with the ball at his feet. Cesc developed a directness to his game that makes him a supremely efficient player, but Cazorla has the ability to dictate play to the opposition much closer to goal. If there is anyone Cazorla reminds me of, it's Bergkamp, except Cazorla is quicker and has an amazing left foot. He's much less of a goal threat than either Cesc or Bergkamp, but his effectiveness can be seen in how much better Ramsey and Diaby have been playing this season. He gives a traditional runner CM an option to play the ball to in a forward position between the lines.

In general, Bergkamp and Cesc were concerned with playing the final ball. Cazorla can play a beautiful final ball, but he seems more interested in playing the pass before the final pass, if that makes any sense.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28614 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:18 pm to
I was just poking fun with the Cesc comment. They are both wonderful in different ways.

I hope Liverpool goes all in on Suso. If they lose him to Madrid I will be beside myself.
Posted by thenry712
Zasullia, Ukraine
Member since Nov 2008
15795 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:19 pm to
That's what makes Peter Crouch's career so interesting. He's not great in the air, nor does he really play the physical, target forward role very well. He's just a fairly skillful striker who happens to built like a 6'7" beanpole.

Everyone acts shocked when he scores spectacular goals like the one against City last season.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50247 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:20 pm to
Crazy is right. Cazorla knows what must be done instinctively, it's been drilled into Cesc.

Cesc may be more fluid and dangerous, but Cazorla is a crazy worker bee with out of this world technical skill.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28614 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:20 pm to
Crouch is dreadful in the air.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50247 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:22 pm to
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thenry712
you are quite right.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:23 pm to
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He's not great in the air


A myth created by how awkward he is. He's excellent in the air. He's the master of the deep cross, where he draws the CB toward the goalmouth with his positioning, only for the ball to be played to the backpost, where he has space between the CB and the fullback to either flick back toward goal or shoot with his head. LINK

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 10/6/12 at 11:25 pm to
What I mean to say is that he cannot jump very high. He generally knows how to use his head. The same can be said of Mertesacker. If you want to see a player who is tall and is awful in the air, look no further than Stefan Maierhofer. LINK
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