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The economics of rock n roll

Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:31 pm
If you haven't read the article on Grizzly Bear in New York magazine, you really should. Now, I dislike Grizzly Bear, but they are a fairly successful band, and the article gets in to the fact they don't even have health insurance and are in fairly poor financial health. It's a fascinating read to see how even a successful band isn't really making any money.

Which lead to an even more fascinating back and forth between two musicians in Stereogum discussing these issues. It comes down to one simple issue: people don't want to pay for art. Which is just awful, honestly. Every single you download illegally is hurting artists, and most of them aren't Metallica-rich. Their not even your neighbor rich.

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Since 1996, I’ve occasionally had to supplement my income as a full-time musician with temporary, freelance and “quit-able” jobs — contracted construction and carpentry work (mostly flooring, house painting, and hanging drywall), writing and copy editing, truck driving, and the like. I’ve rarely held any job for longer than three months and have never worked for more than a third of any given year doing anything besides music. Wooden Wand is not what you’d call a household name. I make it work because the idea of doing anything else, for me, is death. I do without health insurance, cable TV, “date nights,” and other perks others may take for granted. I don’t mind. Neither does my wife, a PhD candidate in English whose long-term job prospects are ultimately as grim as my own. We’re in this together because we agree that even being destitute is preferable to not doing what we we feel we were put on Earth to do. In short, we’ll always choose a cot at the YMCA over a 40-hour work week doing something we hate.

Because of this, I expect to be paid for my work, because, like anyone, I must survive. I do not play free shows, I do not allow my music to be used in films (even student films) without a fee, and I do not give away music for free on the Internet. If that makes me a capitalist swine, then so is your plumber, your dentist, the dude who sells you kale at the farmer’s market, and the girl who serves you your mocha latte, none of whom are expected to work for free. Bands who give music away for free essentially reinforce the idea that music is valueless. It also sets a dangerous precedent, and is not altogether different from crossing a picket line.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:12 pm to
Sucks, but i really don't want to hear it. He is not the first musican to work outside of music. If you got into music after Napster and thought you were going earn what musician did before Napster you are fool.

Elvis era to Pre-napster was boom in music industry and just like in another many other industries the bubble pops. Be happy people want to listen your music and make what you can. If you have talented maybe people will pay to see you but forgive me for not giving a shite.

I was a huge part of the problem in high school/college. I downloaded hunderds of albums but a lot of the stuff i wouldn't have bought.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:27 pm to
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Sucks, but i really don't want to hear it. He is not the first musican to work outside of music.

but we're not talking about some obscure artist. Grizzly Bear is pretty big and selling a lot of records. If they can't make a middle class living. it is essentially impossible. You don't have any problem with that?

We're not saying they aren't rich. We're saying they are barely middle class. And this is one of the biggest music acts in the country.
Posted by kage
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:44 pm to
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And this is one of the biggest music acts in the country.


No they aren't. They're definitely grown in popularity over the past few years, but they are definitely not one of the biggest acts in the country. They're one of the bigger "indie," for lack of better words, acts right now, but that is a pretty smile piece of the pie when it comes down to it.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36576 posts
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:49 pm to
I do i guess.

what is the solution? Since napster we have become entitled to free music and since then more musician have been heard then ever before. YOu can make the claim that the past ten years are the deepest in music ever. Not the best but the must bands being heard.

are we going to see a decline in talent because of the low pay?

The attitude in the late 90s was frick Lars and the others that got napster shut down.


This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 2:52 pm
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 10/3/12 at 3:06 pm to
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and I do not give away music for free on the Internet.


Maybe that's part of the problem

Honestly, this guy sounds like a total crybaby moron.

What's grizzly bears contract like?
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 3:08 pm to
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but we're not talking about some obscure artist. Grizzly Bear is pretty big and selling a lot of records. If they can't make a middle class living. it is essentially impossible.


No one is forcing them to choose the life they have chosen.

They can quit what they are doing and go get an office job at any time.

This is ridiculous to me.
Posted by alajones
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Member since Oct 2005
34445 posts
Posted on 10/3/12 at 3:17 pm to
I always thought most bands made their money on the road, not through the label.

Mozart wasn't rich. And the other poster makes a good point about a music bubble that burst.

Grizzly should think of himself more as an entertainer and not an artist. Entertainers get paid what they are worth, just like salesmen.

I agree with his attitude about not working for free. Having worked with James Burton a lot here in Shreveport, I can promise you artistic property is very important to musicians.

I always thought Napster and Win MX and all that stuff was stealing. Having said that, I stole a lot. I quit several years ago and I guess if they haven't come after me yet, they won't.

Having said that, Music is just not the industry to get into. Some strike gold and are wealthy beyond imagination; 99% teach lessons and play at weddings for most of their lives. Art as a craft and as a living is much more accepted now than when I was growing up. But that doesn't = a living.

I'm not sure I'm convinced that illegal downloading is what is keeping this guy in the poorhouse.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 3:20 pm
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 10/3/12 at 4:07 pm to
With the Internet and MP3's bands that would have never been heard before got radio airtime and records deals etc

Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36576 posts
Posted on 10/3/12 at 4:08 pm to
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The only thing worse than having people resent you for being rich is having people resent you for being rich when you’re anything but. Not to get all name-droppy, but I stayed at Grizzly Bear’s house once in Boston while on tour. It was nice, but not, like, Cribs nice. It should have been, because they deserve it. I certainly wouldn’t deny Grizzly Bear their yacht and their Zero Gravity Room, if that’s what they wanted, but I suspect all they really want is autonomy, and maybe some rad gear


why? the only people who make crips money in the music industry today is Disney acts, and the worldwide djs.

the disney acts incomes are much like Professional athletes they are retired before they get old.

The rest have to make it out on the road ala jambands.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 4:10 pm
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