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re: .380 vs .22 Magnum Pistol for Self-defense
Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:08 pm to Nodust
Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:08 pm to Nodust
quote:
Does it shoot just by working the lever?
I assume you mean slam fire where you can just hold the trigger down and not reset it every time you cycle the lever? Good question.
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:15 pm to Cold Pizza
Nice rig!
However, we don't live in the bush. Dogs and people are the main concern. Black bears run from a slingshot, brown bears are only around for a few weeks in the early spring, and the moose are easily avoided (not going to drop one of those big bastards with any pistol anyway).
That said, your rig looks very functional. Tell me more about it, especially the holster. That looks perfect for when we do go out into the bush. You've got my interest.
However, we don't live in the bush. Dogs and people are the main concern. Black bears run from a slingshot, brown bears are only around for a few weeks in the early spring, and the moose are easily avoided (not going to drop one of those big bastards with any pistol anyway).
That said, your rig looks very functional. Tell me more about it, especially the holster. That looks perfect for when we do go out into the bush. You've got my interest.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:20 pm to CoastieGM
My advice, as suggested by others on here, is to take her to a gun store and let her hold some full sized 9mms.
The reason I suggest the M&P is because they have interchangeable back straps for different sized hands. The "small" one is very very slim and would be perfect for her I assume. Or you can check out Kahr's line of handguns. They are single-stack and provide a great slim grip.
Have a Daddy/Daughter day and go to the gun store. You will be sure to find some good stuff.
The reason I suggest the M&P is because they have interchangeable back straps for different sized hands. The "small" one is very very slim and would be perfect for her I assume. Or you can check out Kahr's line of handguns. They are single-stack and provide a great slim grip.
Have a Daddy/Daughter day and go to the gun store. You will be sure to find some good stuff.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:21 pm to Cold Pizza
Whatever the rifleman had. He just worked the lever. Faster than any six shooter in the west.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:28 pm to Nodust
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Whatever the rifleman had. He just worked the lever. Faster than any six shooter in the west
watch it a few times a wk. on of my favs
Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:30 pm to greasemonkey
I watch it also. Love that show.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:46 pm to bapple
The Ruger SR9 you suggested interests me due to the high capacity (if she can hold it). The M&P and the Kahr simply don't hold the quantity of bullets I'd like her to have. I want her to have enough rounds to fend off multiple dogs.
quote:We're going to Anchorage in a couple weeks to do just that. The gun stores in Anchorage (and their prices) are like heaven on earth. Be envious!
Have a Daddy/Daughter day and go to the gun store. You will be sure to find some good stuff.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 7:39 pm to CoastieGM
Along with the Judge that he seems to be carrying in his front pocket, That should do
Posted on 10/3/12 at 7:49 pm to Crawdaddy
quote:This is my rifle,
Along with the Judge that he seems to be carrying in his front pocket, That should do
This is my gun,
This is for fighting,
This is for fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:18 pm to CoastieGM
I thought he had his rifle on his side backwards at first
Posted on 10/3/12 at 9:34 pm to CoastieGM
With all due respect - and I'm sure you've considered this, .380's and .22 Magnums mean she'll probably have to make a very good shot, under high stress, if the attacker is determined (i.e. not deterred by the the presence of a gun).
I understand the issue of small hands. Have you looked into a Glock 19 with a grip reduction ?
Robar & Bowie Tactical do very good work.
You'll have 16 rounds of 9mm in a very dependable weapon, with less recoil, much better penetration and much better expansion than a .380 Bersa. Load it with HST or Ranger-T ammo, and she should be reasonably well-equipped for the threats you described.
I understand the issue of small hands. Have you looked into a Glock 19 with a grip reduction ?
Robar & Bowie Tactical do very good work.
You'll have 16 rounds of 9mm in a very dependable weapon, with less recoil, much better penetration and much better expansion than a .380 Bersa. Load it with HST or Ranger-T ammo, and she should be reasonably well-equipped for the threats you described.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 9:47 pm to CoastieGM
I agree w/ Bapple's thoughts.
Yep. Had a misfire w/ my 22 LR this weekend while squirrel hunting. Fortunately for me, the squirrel was in retreat, not attack mode!
Yep, Yep and Yep.
Also, I'd like to point out that a 22 Magnum bullet fired out of a 4.3" barrel (like the PMR-30) has much less velocity than the same bullet fired out a rifle. In short, depending on the particular load, the velocity of a 22 Mag fired from a pistol barrel may be less than the velocity of a 22 LR fired from a rifle barrel. Here's a good thread w/ measured handgun barrel velocitis of numerous 22 Mag rounds.
LINK /
quote:
It's not that the gun would be unreliable, it's that rimfire ammo is inherently unreliable. I would never trust my life on it.
Yep. Had a misfire w/ my 22 LR this weekend while squirrel hunting. Fortunately for me, the squirrel was in retreat, not attack mode!
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A full sized 9mm will have less felt recoil than a compact .380, ammo will be cheaper, and you can hold many more rounds in a double stack magazine.
Yep, Yep and Yep.
Also, I'd like to point out that a 22 Magnum bullet fired out of a 4.3" barrel (like the PMR-30) has much less velocity than the same bullet fired out a rifle. In short, depending on the particular load, the velocity of a 22 Mag fired from a pistol barrel may be less than the velocity of a 22 LR fired from a rifle barrel. Here's a good thread w/ measured handgun barrel velocitis of numerous 22 Mag rounds.
LINK /
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:09 pm to dawg23
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I understand the issue of small hands. Have you looked into a Glock 19 with a grip reduction ?
Robar & Bowie Tactical do very good work.
With all due respect, why waste money getting a Glock with a slimmer grip when you can buy a handgun that already has it? I also think the SR9 and M&P far surpass Glock in terms of grip slimmness, grip angle, sights, and features from the factory. If I were buying a gun for a younger shooter, I think I would prefer it to have a loaded chamber indicator, which the Glock lacks and the others have. The SR9 also has a safety in case the OP wants her to have that.
And I'm not sure what I'm missing here but I think both the SR9 and M&P9 can hold 17 rounds. I know my SR9 can hold 17 rounds and I'm pretty sure I've fired an M&P that fits 17 rounds. But, the SR9 is more affordable and I think it would be perfect for you since it has a thumb safety and a loaded chamber indicator. It also has a magazine disconnect safety but I would suggest removing it once you get it. Luckily the process of doing that isn't all that difficult.
Here is a review I did on my SR9c, which is simply the compact version of the full sized SR9. Hopefully I touch on all the points you want to hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5GwpHH-pzI&feature=plcp
EDIT: Thanks for backing me up TigerOTH. I also didn't consider the lower 22WM velocities out of a short barrel. That explains the PMR30 fireball I've seen before.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:18 pm to CoastieGM
I guess the laws in Alaska are more relaxed for juveniles packing pistols.
Would be illegal here.
ETA: There are exceptions and ways around it though.
As long as she's well trained I guess it's cool.
Would be illegal here.
ETA: There are exceptions and ways around it though.
As long as she's well trained I guess it's cool.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:22 pm to Who Me
quote:
I guess the laws in Alaska are more relaxed for juveniles packing pistols.
Would be illegal here.
ETA: There are exceptions and ways around it though.
As long as she's well trained I guess it's cool.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw "14." I know in LA the law is 17 years old to OC. But then again, Alaska is a constitutional carry state, so you don't even need a CCW. I guess the age for OC is much lower.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:23 pm to Who Me
I've been waiting on this response and thinking the same thing. Not knocking the idea, but just stating the law.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:29 pm to El Josey Wales
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I've been waiting on this response and thinking the same thing. Not knocking the idea, but just stating the law.
I mean when I say it is illegal. It is. But there are so many allowances that if you really want your kid to carry it isn't hard to accomplish.
I think the law serves the purpose of making it illegal for kids who aren't suppose to have guns from having them.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:38 pm to dawg23
quote:She can dump 7 rounds in a 5-inch group in 4 seconds from 20 feet. At 10 feet, she can do it in 1.5 seconds every time.
With all due respect - and I'm sure you've considered this, .380's and .22 Magnums mean she'll probably have to make a very good shot, under high stress, if the attacker is determined (i.e. not deterred by the the presence of a gun).
When he was 16 years old, my oldest boy stopped a violent high-speed home invasion by outmaneuvering and then double-tapping the BG right through the heart...dropped him dead as a doornail. No sights...just instinct shooting (Bad Guy was armed w/a 9mm pistol and was wanted for 2 counts of attempted capital murder). https://www.khou.com/news/local/65864742.html
I educate the kids how to operate under stress. I trained some of the best CQB personnel 1986-1994, and I can definitively say that all four of my kids can hold their own.
quote:Frankly, never heard of "grip reduction". I must also admit I'm not too familiar with Glocks. But this is the very type of bright idea I hoped to get from this board full of friggin ' geniuses.
Have you looked into a Glock 19 with a grip reduction ?
Thanks much for the valuable tip. 
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:40 pm to Who Me
quote:
I mean when I say it is illegal. It is
Oh, I know it is illegal. Must be 21 to carry a handgun. Times aren't the way they used to be. Although the law was the same when I was growing up, I got a Ruger 22 revolver at age 11 , bought myself a Sig P220 at age 17 and a Kimber 45 at age 19. I never ran into any trouble with them, but I didn't really run afoul of the law much either.
ETA: not saying that the OP's lawyer isn't capable of carrying a sidearm or is planning on running afoul of the law.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 10:41 pm
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