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I still want to know how this is an incomplete pass

Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:34 am
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:34 am
after it was ruled a TD on the field.

I mean yes, maybe the ball hits the gound, but he has control of it and it doesn't move. Where is the indisputable evidence to overturn a TD?






This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 11:09 am
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:36 am to
If it was ruled incomplete, I would've understood not overturning it. For it to be ruled a touchdown THEN overturned is a travesty. There is nowhere near enough conclusive evidence to overturn it. Shitty call
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:37 am to
NFL hates the saints.
Posted by Doldil
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:37 am to
quote:

but he has control of it


looking at that gif, I'd say that part is debatable. It looks to me like he kind of uses the ground to trap the ball and get control over it, but it's tough to tell from that angle.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:38 am to
It was a touchdown and since it was reviewed, the scab refs didn't frick us, the booth dude did.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:38 am to
quote:

I mean yes the ball hits the gound


I honestly can't tell from that clip, if it did that, or if it just hit the palm of his hand that was on the ground.
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:40 am to
Look at his hand when he is falling and look at it as he is getting up...his fingers are in the exact same spot on the ball with control enough to hop right up and run...I doubt he needed to use the ground for control
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:41 am to
quote:

Where is the indisputable evidence to overturn a TD?
During the broadcast on FOX [edit: CBS, because I'm stupid], they showed an alternate view that is looking straight on (towards the helmet in the direction of helmet to feet) that shows the ball move as he hits the ground.

I can't say I disagree with the call.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 10:44 am
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:43 am to
quote:

During the broadcast on FOX


the game was on CBS
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:43 am to
Hahahha...I'm an idiot. You're right, I'm so used to them being on FOX.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:45 am to
quote:

I mean yes the ball hits the gound,


You can't conclusively say that the ball hits the ground on any of the replay angles they showed.

The play was ruled a catch on the field and should have been upheld because there was no evidence to overturn it.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:46 am to
Clearly incomplete.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:46 am to
quote:

the scab refs didn't frick us, the booth dude did.


False.

The head referee looks at the reviews in his little booth and makes a determination. The head referee is a scab ref. Thus, the scab refs fricked us with their incompetence.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:48 am to
The ball can move IN HIS HAND as he hits the ground and NOT touch the ground.

That's the point. There was ABSOLUTELY NO conclusive evidence to suggest that the ball hit the ground, thus the call should NOT have been overturned.
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:49 am to
don't know if Pereira has been in the real refs pockets or not, but...

quote:

Fox Sports' officiating expert Mike Pereira said via Twitter: "NO: I didn't think it was but the closeup shot convinced them that ball must have hit the ground. I don't think it was enough to overturn."


and I can't find a single photo online of the ball hitting the ground. Thankfully, my DVR crapped out on me and decided to record only the first quarter so I do not have to relive this game, but if someone could upload a pic or gif of the angle where the ball moves when it hits the ground, I'd appreciate it. Need closure man.

No reversal=no Brees sack=no missed FG=11 point halftime lead instead of 4
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 10:51 am
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:49 am to
BTW, isn't he a scab only if there's a strike? There is no strike here, this is a lockout.
Posted by Eighteen
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:51 am to
quote:

During the broadcast on FOX [edit: CBS, because I'm stupid], they showed an alternate view that is looking straight on (towards the helmet in the direction of helmet to feet) that shows the ball move as he hits the ground.


that angle was blurry and still didn't conclusively show anything IMO

even Mike Pereira tweeted he disagreed with the overrule

but it was that one refs decision and I guess in his mind he saw enough
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 10:52 am
Posted by TDawg1313
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:52 am to
The Titans had a worse one on their OT drive. Ruled complete on the field, replays showed it never hit the ground (about 2-3 inches was the closest it got), then they reversed it saying it was incomplete.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:53 am to
Not from what I saw. Do replay hoods have more camera angles to look at?
Posted by quail man
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:53 am to
quote:

don't know if Pereira has been in the real refs pockets or not, but...


he said all the other calls they overturned were correct to overturn, so i doubt he's in the real refs' pockets.

in order to overturn a call there must be enough evidence...one view showed the ball MAY have moved...that's not enough evidence.
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