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re: Notre Dame to the ACC as a full member.. but NOT in Football
Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:10 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:10 pm to StraightCashHomey21
i'll say this much.
if ND makes it thru their new schedule starting in 2014 undefeated, they are most certainly a contender for the National Championship.
5 ACC schools plus a combination of USC, Navy, Michigan State, Michigan, and Stanford.
if ND makes it thru their new schedule starting in 2014 undefeated, they are most certainly a contender for the National Championship.
5 ACC schools plus a combination of USC, Navy, Michigan State, Michigan, and Stanford.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:17 pm to hiltacular
"Swarbrick says that USC, Stanford and Navy will be protected (without naming USC and Stanford). Everything else up for grabs."
LINK
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Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:20 pm to rocket31
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USC
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without naming USC and Stanford
Not sure I understand (but didn't read link)
Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:21 pm to rocket31
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Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher: “I had no idea. Three seconds before I picked this phone up, I received that information. They're a great university, and I guess we'll be glad to have them.”
He sounds thrilled.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:23 pm to rocket31
i think it comes down to this
The ACC knew it was on life support so they got desperate. The of course wanted ND as a full sports member but got told hell no. So they basically said ND since the BE is dying we will take their place. ND said sure and is laughing all the way with this.Basically adding 1 top 15 type acc team a year to the slate then 4 more bums. All while access to new acc bowl tie ins and keeping their own path to the BCS.
ND is run by some very smart people all while the ACC made it last desperate move. A similar agreement ND had with the BE didn't make BE football better and it wont make ACC football better bc at the end of it ND is not going to be in the ACC championship game.
The ACC knew it was on life support so they got desperate. The of course wanted ND as a full sports member but got told hell no. So they basically said ND since the BE is dying we will take their place. ND said sure and is laughing all the way with this.Basically adding 1 top 15 type acc team a year to the slate then 4 more bums. All while access to new acc bowl tie ins and keeping their own path to the BCS.
ND is run by some very smart people all while the ACC made it last desperate move. A similar agreement ND had with the BE didn't make BE football better and it wont make ACC football better bc at the end of it ND is not going to be in the ACC championship game.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:23 pm to sicboy
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Then why not join, you pretentious d-bags????
For a bunch of "Americans" you guys sure do hate Notre Dame for running the business of their football program in a way which they feel can garner them the most profit. Why give up an exclusive television contract with NBC and begin sharing profits when they don't have to?
If other colleges could pull it off, they'd do it too.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:42 pm to hendersonshands
Perfect fit.
quote:- CFN
Notre Dame is getting everything it wants. It gets to remain relatively independent in football to keep its status as a national program with games set down the road with Texas and Arizona State to go along with the regular matchups with Michigan, Navy, and of course, USC. It gets to see how the new TV agreements shake out to make a call on whether or not the money might be better once everyone figures out exactly how the new playoff format is going to work, and in terms of focus and attention, the move ends all the speculation about the future while quieting down those screaming that the football program needs to join a conference.
Football-wise, the Big East might have made sense to be the anchor and star of a mediocre league, but that wouldn’t have been prestigious or splashy enough. The Big Ten was never, ever, ever going to happen considering both sides went out of their way to reject the other – the Irish didn’t want to share any of the spotlight with Michigan and Ohio State and the Big Ten didn’t kiss the ring and come up with a sweetheart of a deal.
The SEC was never going to happen because the academics aren’t up to snuff, and there was no way the football program was going to allow itself to be swallowed up whole by the monster and be a perennial also-ran. The Big 12 was a rumor, but academics were also a concern along with the same Big Ten-like issues in terms of the focus with Texas the anchor and Oklahoma the star.
The ACC works. Florida State is still a name program, but it’s not Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, USC or Alabama in terms of being bigger than Notre Dame in size and scope. The same goes for Virginia Tech and Miami meaning Notre Dame won’t play second banana to anyone in the league football-wise.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:47 pm to Zamoro10
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The SEC was never going to happen because the academics aren’t up to snuff
Yeah I'm sure this was the real reason and not this
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and there was no way the football program was going to allow itself to be swallowed up whole by the monster and be a perennial also-ran.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 1:49 pm to etm512
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Yeah I'm sure this was the real reason and not this
It was definitely a factor, if not the top factor. It may be hard for you to understand, but it's true.
This post was edited on 9/12/12 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 9/12/12 at 2:06 pm to etm512
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The SEC was never going to happen because the academics aren’t up to snuff
Notre Dame and Stanford don't give just lip service to academics and the prestige that comes with being that type of institution. Look at the athletes they recruit. Their roster isn't full of dumbos who were passed along by teachers in H.S. school because they were good in football.
It's no surprise that 5 of the last 6 BCS champions come from the states with the highest illiteracy rates in the country.
I know it's hard for some of you in SEC country to understand but real national prestige of a University doesn't come from banging heads at night on in mud with a ball.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 2:11 pm to Zamoro10
Ah so what they are saying is that since the rest of the conference has lower academic standards then they couldn't compete? Which is pretty much the point that was made about them being an also-ran.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 2:15 pm to rocket31
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So USC, Navy, and then add 5 ACC games which brings the total to 7 games. Plenty of flexibility with the remaining schedule.
ND has played Purdue and Michigan State for the last 60+ years. They aren't breaking off those rivalries. This is an absolutely terrible move ND IMO.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 2:18 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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This is an absolutely terrible move ND IMO.
why exactly?
Posted on 9/12/12 at 2:23 pm to RLDSC FAN
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why exactly?
because scheduling flexibility and tradition are 2 things that they had that no one else in college football had and they are going to lose one of them.
This post was edited on 9/12/12 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 9/12/12 at 2:25 pm to VerlanderBEAST
?
we already had 4 ACC teams on the schedule this year...not much is going to change...besides maybe not playing purdue or msu every year
we already had 4 ACC teams on the schedule this year...not much is going to change...besides maybe not playing purdue or msu every year
Posted on 9/12/12 at 2:47 pm to rocket31
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we already had 4 ACC teams on the schedule this year...not much is going to change...besides maybe not playing purdue or msu every year
Yeah and this year you are playing arguable the toughest schedule of the last 20+ years if thats going to be the norm ND football is officially dead beyond resurrection.
This post was edited on 9/12/12 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 9/12/12 at 2:50 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Wetzel's take. SIAP.
LINK
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Posted on 9/12/12 at 2:54 pm to Zamoro10
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I know it's hard for some of you in SEC country to understand but real national prestige of a University doesn't come from banging heads at night on in mud with a ball.
Come on, absolutely none of this is based on academics. This is based on maximizing the amount of money Notre Dame can make on athletics and this was the best move they could make. This allows them to be a major player in the sport that provides the highest dollars without having to share the revenue. A sport that requires banging heads in the mud with a ball. Academics is, without question, the reason for every university but the prime time game on Saturday against Michigan St means a lot to those who have never take a class at Notre Dame but still contribute to the university.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 3:03 pm to Zamoro10
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It's no surprise that 5 of the last 6 BCS champions come from the states with the highest illiteracy rates in the country.
I know it's hard for some of you in SEC country to understand but real national prestige of a University doesn't come from banging heads at night on in mud with a ball.
get off your high horse you pretentious douchebag. this has nothing to do with academics and everything to do with $$$...
Posted on 9/12/12 at 3:22 pm to ptra
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Come on, absolutely none of this is based on academics.
False, but keep telling yourself that and acting like you know ND's motives 100 percent.
The move was not made with academics in mind, but it likely contributed to the final destination. What I mean is if the Big East wasn't collapsing, ND wouldn't move, but when they did, the ACC was the best fit for a number of reasons INCLUDING academics. It was one of the areas where it held the clear advantage over the Big Twelve, another rumored fit.
This post was edited on 9/12/12 at 3:26 pm
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