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TomTigerBTR
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He took players like Dunn, Minor, and
Javon walker out of Lsu's backyard.


I always wondered what we would have looked like with Dunn in the backfield for couple years and then Faulk coming in. We wouldn't have won a ton more with having just Dunn but hell if Robert Toomer was our best RB and we beat Bama with him, the question remains.

Love Toomer but he was no Dunn.






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H-Town Tiger
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The reason why he went to SD State is because they recruited him as a running back. All the other schools wanted him to play DB


exactly, all the elite programs wanted him at DB, its just LSU that missed, everyone did, it happens, but its 20/20 hindsight to cry about it, unlike a lot of other guys we lost.






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OXID11
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Arnsparger did not like recruiting, Archer was a terrible head coach, Hallman was worse than Archer at coaching and a horrible recruiter, Dinardo lacked team discipline. Couple all of this with the fact that Joe Dean was pretty much brain dead and cheap it led to a dismal time in LSU football history.
I remember a sign in my grandparents game room
"Joe Dean? Al Bundy is also a shoe salesman."






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H-Town Tiger
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If DiNardo would have just replaced his talented DB Coach Ron Case (Left to join Mack Browns's staff at North Carolina) and DC Carl Reese (Left to be John Mackovic's DC at Texas) with coaches of equal talent, he may still be the coach at L.S.U


Reese joined Brown at Texas. and who knows, maybe he does anyway, but the fact is, he got a big raise and DiNardo could not pay top dollar, like we do today, for assistants, so you get what you pay for.
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seem to recall some coach that wrote the book "Complete Linebacking" being implicated in a lot of the DiNardo downfall


he makes an easy scape goat, but he was not the whole problem. First of all he was a good coach, but was not a good fit for LSU and his scheme did not fit our personel at all. Helluva lot easier to coach LB's when you have Rice and Hardy.

The biggest problem DiNardo has was he didn't pay enough attention to eligibilty for his recruits. As a result, by his last year, he was not fielding full teams. It was like suffering from probation, only with out being on probation.







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blackjackjackson
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Now the SEC is unstoppable until the NCAA figures out who bought Trent Richardson his car, how many Willie Lyles there are out there


wow!!! can this stuff be true?






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Imtheman2
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"The biggest problem DiNardo has was he didn't pay enough attention to eligibilty for his recruits. As a result, by his last year, he was not fielding full teams. It was like suffering from probation, only with out being on probation."

There's a lot of truth to that. He had high ranked recruiting classes, but the reality was several of the highest recruits never got in school. We all know how important recruiting is. It doesn't matter if you have the greatest staff in the world. It starts with talent.






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Y.A. Tittle
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"The biggest problem DiNardo has was he didn't pay enough attention to eligibilty for his recruits. As a result, by his last year, he was not fielding full teams. It was like suffering from probation, only with out being on probation."

There's a lot of truth to that. He had high ranked recruiting classes, but the reality was several of the highest recruits never got in school. We all know how important recruiting is. It doesn't matter if you have the greatest staff in the world. It starts with talent.


This is all true.

When he left, he essentially blamed the Louisiana education system. The irony being, it took smarter men who succeeded him to figure out how to actually work within the system he was (and they were) dealt.






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clamdip
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As mentioned in another thread, Archer was and continues to be a good DC. He was just a horribly horrific HC. No where near HC material. He put LSU into the tailspin.

HCs need to be able to assemble a good staff, recruit, and inspire the troops. Archer was poor at one of these and very bad at the other two.

The "talent" LSU put on the field by the end of Archer's tenure around 1990 was the worst ever in relation to their competition in the SEC. We had slow white DBs. Enough said.

The one thing you can say about Curley is that he was a better recruiter. He left DiNardo something to work with. Archer left Curley nothing.






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Dinardo had his problems, but he's also the guy who pulled us up out of the tailspin. He actually got big recruits to come to LSU and started to change the culture. Yes, discipline and grades were his downfall but its not like we were ultra disciplined before he got here. I don't lump in Dinardo with Hallman and Archer. Actually, the only truly terrible coach was Hallman.

But rot starts at the top, and Joe Dean was a miserable AD. Didn't invest in football, ran afoul of the feds with some of the most egregious Title IX violations imaginable (it's probably best not to say horribly sexist things about the volleyball team on the court's record), couldn't raise money, and generally just presided over a period of malaise. Basketball went into the tank on his watch as well, and Skip was the only thing that kept LSU sports above water.






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blackjackjackson
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prop 48..i googled:

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Blacks Hit Hard by Proposition 48, Survey Shows

By The Associated Press
Published: September 09, 1988





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The majority of college football recruits disqualified because of Proposition 48 this year are black, according to a survey by The Associated Press. The survey also found that the overall number of academically ineligible recruits has stabilized.

The survey was able to identify the race of 213 of the 274 recruits disqualified this year by Proposition 48, or 77.7 percent. A total of 185 of those recruits are black, 86.8 percent.

Critics have said that these numbers show that standardized tests such as those used under Proposition 48 are culturally biased.

''We know that standardized test scores are correlated with socioeconomic status,'' said Ursula Walsh, director for research for the National Collegiate Athletic Association.

Walsh said black recruits accounted for 81 percent of football ineligibles in 1986 and 90 percent in 1987, according to an N.C.A.A. survey. Aptitude Tests Defended

Those who put together the tests disagreed with those who said that they were culturally biased.

''It's being very simplistic to blame the difference in scores on the test and not look for the reasons behind it,'' said Frank Moreno, associate director of public affairs for The College Board, which sponsors the Scholastic Aptitude Test. ''It's not so much cultural difference as much as educational backgrounds of blacks, their having appreciably less academic courses in high school.''

Proposition 48 requires recruits to score a minimum 700 out of a possible 1,600 points on the Scholastic Aptitude Test, or 15 out of 36 on the American College Test, and have at least a 2.0 high school grade-point average in 11 mandatory courses to be eligible. Difference in Average Scores

In 1987, the average S.A.T. score nationally for all students was 906. The average score for blacks was 728.

The 274 recruits who failed to meet the N.C.A.A.'s academic requirements this year was a slight improvement over the 278 last year.

There were 401 ineligible recruits for the 1986 season, the first year the academic requirements went into effect.

Of 1987's ineligible recruits, 201, or 72.3 percent, attended their colleges and became eligible for this season. Of 1986's ineligibles, 69.3 percent returned last year.






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The312
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What caused LSU Football's putrid 90's run?


Inept, parochial, cheap, good ole boy administators hired putrid coaches. That's it.

Sadly, while professionalism has supplanted much of the old cracker nepotism, the back slappin' good ole boys still rule certain aspects of the AD and the university. They are the enemy of excellence.






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stapuffmarshy
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re: What caused LSU Football's putrid 90's run?


the death of Bo Rein plays a major part in this. Set the program back 20 years probably

Rein dies. Stovall hired as emergency. Stovall was a great recruiter- the rest meh

Broadhead comes in and cans Stovall, bringing in Arnsbarger who was a fine coach, did not like the recruiting part of CFB

BA wanted to become AD at LSU. Power play between those two results in Archer. good man, decent DC but too young at the time. Wasn't a bad hire, most agreed with keeping that mid 80s run going.

LA was different then as well. The rules did not assist LSU or Archer.

Hallman's hiring was suppose to be about "discipline"....remember the put your earrings in a box and send them to mama crap???

Hallman was the worst coach in LSU history, hired by the cheapest AD in history.

He actually thought he deserved a 5th year. Thank goodness only 50k showed for his last home game and they pulled the plug.

Dinardo did good things but was too micro-manager kind style and did not delegate well.


all these guys came cheap. LSU started winning when money was loosened up but all of the nonsense would not have occurred if Rein had lived. He was THE hot head coach and was a great pick by Dietzel. Too bad we never got to see him make LSU the program that it is today.

I've always felt if Bo had lived, those 20 years would have been so different....1980-2000.....20 years of crazy and bad decisions






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surf23451
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re: What caused LSU Football's putrid 90's run?


Unwillingness to spend.
- outdated facilities
- Discount coaches
- Bad Luck, like Bo Rein plane crash, and bad momentum.

That's why La players were going out of state. Saban was part of the turn around.

Only good coach after between Chollymac and Saban was Arnsparger.







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H-Town Tiger
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Dinardo had his problems, but he's also the guy who pulled us up out of the tailspin. He actually got big recruits to come to LSU and started to change the culture


I'm fairly certain I've been one of Gerry D's biggest knights on this board.

Derek Pomansky had a great interview with him this summer. He wanted bigger changes, like a football only facility, but didn't think he had the equity built up to get those things done in his time. I do not think Saban could have done what he did, had DiNardo not turned things around. The importance of signing Kevin Faulk can not be over stated.






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H-Town Tiger
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He actually thought he deserved a 5th year. Thank goodness only 50k showed for his last home game and they pulled the plug.


just think he he doesn't go full retard and stopped letting Jamie Howard throw passes vs Auburn, he might have gotten it.

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Dinardo did good things but was too micro-manager


is there a bigger micro manager than Saban?






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cajunjj
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re: What caused LSU Football's putrid 90's run?


No doubt, Joe Dean. He was a senior when I was a freshman at LSU. Sucked as the AD!





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nitwit
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It's really the history of Joe Dean and his failures with the football program.
If you ask his apologists they'll point to the successes of baseball, track and baseball during this time and say he was a huge success.
Thsoe other sports didn't generate any revenue, however, and the parade of poor hires as football HC is inexcusable, IMO.
Joe Dean did a lot of damage.






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stapuffmarshy
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is there a bigger micro manager than Saban?


I disagree. He hires the coaches and let's them do their job. Is he tough and demanding. Yes


but micro managing IMO is focusing on shite that in big picture doesn't matter and GD was great at that....hired the OC/DC and then tried to run it all, total disaste






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andouille
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Never, ever, ever hire a basketball guy as AD, it is the road to hell. This especially includes Dean & Alleva.

The Board of Stupidvisors is a bunch a old MF's whose sole interest in not LSU, it is their political power and egos.

Archer was a mistake, Hallman was a disaster. We got Saban because Emmert blew past the old bastards, blew past Dean, and blew past the 'way my grandpappy did it'.

If you want to see the same mentality of old stubborn idiots that run this area try to widen I-10 between the bridge and the split. A handful of retrogressive morons who own shops near the Perkins overpass hold the whole city hostage. Need a loop? Same mentality.

Emmert broke through them, it may never happen again.






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Archer was a bad recruiter and just not ready to be a HC. Brett Favre made Curley look good when he wasn't.

The combination of bad coaching and sub-par players = a losing football team.

Really, I see that as the low point in LSU's larger and longer struggle to update into a modern program after Charlie Mac.

Viewed in that sense, Arnsparger was the anomoly. He was a good coach, but he didn't stick around. With the exception of him, LSU struggled to find a good coach between Charlie Mac and Nick Saban.

Gerry Dinardo was on the right track, and then the bottom fell out for him. In my mind, THAT is the biggest mystery of the 1990s. What the hell happened with Dinardo? We were doing pretty well circa 1997 and then 98 and 99 we sucked ass.






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