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Anybody else bothered by rampant nepotism in sports (coaching)?
Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:03 am
Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:03 am
It seems like this is one of the biggest genres of employment in which nepotism is tolerated by our society.
You would never see a Regional Sales Manager for a Fortune 1000 company be able to hire his son or daughter as a Sale Rep or District Manager with little to no experience (but 50 years ago it would have been no problem).
Does anybody think that this will continue to evolve, or is nepotism less of a deal to others that it is to me? Is it tough to prevent because there's not much "training" or no such thing as a "coaching degree" to earn one's stripes?
You would never see a Regional Sales Manager for a Fortune 1000 company be able to hire his son or daughter as a Sale Rep or District Manager with little to no experience (but 50 years ago it would have been no problem).
Does anybody think that this will continue to evolve, or is nepotism less of a deal to others that it is to me? Is it tough to prevent because there's not much "training" or no such thing as a "coaching degree" to earn one's stripes?
This post was edited on 8/29/12 at 12:05 am
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Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:05 am to MinnesotaTiger
It may change a little but coaching is just different
Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
Nepotism really drives me crazy b/c I feel like it's quite literally the antithesis of what America is all about.
You think there aren't 500 (or probably way more) young adults in the greater Philly area who were more qualified and would have been willing to kill to get the job that Andy Reid's dickhead son was given?
You really think there aren't 400 men more qualified to run the St. Louis Rams' defense than Gregg Williams' son?
You think there aren't 500 (or probably way more) young adults in the greater Philly area who were more qualified and would have been willing to kill to get the job that Andy Reid's dickhead son was given?
You really think there aren't 400 men more qualified to run the St. Louis Rams' defense than Gregg Williams' son?
This post was edited on 8/29/12 at 12:09 am
Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:10 am to MinnesotaTiger
Yeah, the Harbaugh brothers suck. Who let them coach
Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:12 am to CunningLinguist
That's not really a relevant example but thanks for playing!
Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:17 am to MinnesotaTiger
I get what you are saying, but getting a job is usually all about your connections. Its not like these guys are being handed big time jobs right from the start. They usually start off small and work up just like everyone else. They just have a much easier time getting in the door because of their connectins.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:17 am to MinnesotaTiger
No
Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:17 am to MinnesotaTiger
Thinking that America isn't about nepotism is very naive. Having successful parents has an extremely positive correlation with having a successful life, regardless of the parent's profession. A fortune 500 executive may not be able to hire their unqualified son or daughter but they have the connections to get that son or daughter into whatever school or internship or job is needed to become qualified. Private businesses are passed down to children all the time. Old money families like the Kennedy's, Vanderbilts, and Bush's are American nobility. Is the presidency a nepotistic institution? We've had two father son combos already and we were an assassination away from a third.
This post was edited on 8/29/12 at 12:47 am
Posted on 8/29/12 at 12:40 am to tigerfan88
Good points I didn't think of it that way.
Both son presidents were inferior to their fathers though :lol :
Both son presidents were inferior to their fathers though :lol :
Posted on 8/29/12 at 6:50 am to MinnesotaTiger
Kurt Schottenheimer sucks
Pat Shurmur sucks
The Ryan brothers suck
Jim L Mora sucks
Wade Phillips was a shitty head coach. FIVE TIMES.
Yes I have a problem with it. These kids are always the first in line to get entry level positions and get quick promotions, and they suck.
Pat Shurmur sucks
The Ryan brothers suck
Jim L Mora sucks
Wade Phillips was a shitty head coach. FIVE TIMES.
Yes I have a problem with it. These kids are always the first in line to get entry level positions and get quick promotions, and they suck.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 6:54 am to lsutigers1992
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Wade Phillips was a shitty head coach. FIVE TIMES.
i don't think he belongs here. He is a great coach, just not a great head coach. He also has a winning record as a head coach when you use his real stops
This post was edited on 8/29/12 at 6:56 am
Posted on 8/29/12 at 6:59 am to MinnesotaTiger
quote:
Anybody else bothered by rampant nepotism in sports (coaching)? It seems like this is one of the biggest genres of employment in which nepotism is tolerated by our society. You would never see a Regional Sales Manager for a Fortune 1000 company be able to hire his son or daughter as a Sale Rep or District Manager with little to no experience (but 50 years ago it would have been no problem). Does anybody think that this will continue to evolve, or is nepotism less of a deal to others that it is to me? Is it tough to prevent because there's not much "training" or no such thing as a "coaching degree" to earn one's stripes?
Yes it does bother me but as long as people keep treating them like they are above society, they will act like it
Posted on 8/29/12 at 8:03 am to TigerBait1127
I agree that Wade is one of the best DCs of the last generation. But I think he will never cut it as a hc.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 8:21 am to MinnesotaTiger
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ou would never see a Regional Sales Manager for a Fortune 1000 company be able to hire his son or daughter as a Sale Rep or District Manager with little to no experience (but 50 years ago it would have been no problem).
Are you fricking kidding me? This happens all the time. People hire who they know. It's only human. If i was a coach, I would trust my brother or son to work hard and be easier to work with than somebody I've never met.
Besides, when it comes to coaching, the nepotism thing usually works out well.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 8:38 am to MinnesotaTiger
Assistant coaches are just extensions of the head coach, and unlike most employer/employee situations, they are fired along with the head coach.
Complaining about nepotism in coaching is like complaining about someone hiring his son or daughter as secretary. The head coach bears full responsibility for his assistants, so should be able to pick those who he feels familiar with if he chooses.
Complaining about nepotism in coaching is like complaining about someone hiring his son or daughter as secretary. The head coach bears full responsibility for his assistants, so should be able to pick those who he feels familiar with if he chooses.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 8:40 am to Master of Sinanju
Dumb thread thread is dumb. If I was in any successful business, of course I'd give my family an an opportunity to join me. OP, why so butthurt?
Posted on 8/29/12 at 10:22 am to tigerfan88
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Thinking that America isn't about nepotism is very naive. Having successful parents has an extremely positive correlation with having a successful life, regardless of the parent's profession.
This.
In my relatively young corporate career, I've seen several young guys/gals get internships an entry level gigs because Dad plays golf with so-and-so twice a month. It happens in all industries.
And to the OP, it happens more with jobs that are difficult to evaluate. With sales people for example, you have hard data to look at to see if someone is any good.
How exactly do you do this with an assistant coach in a way that makes sense? Can't use wins, or player stats. Just have to go with your gut an usually that feeling is dictated by familiarity.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 10:31 am to MinnesotaTiger
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You would never see a Regional Sales Manager for a Fortune 1000 company be able to hire his son or daughter as a Sale Rep or District Manager with little to no experience (but 50 years ago it would have been no problem).
James Murdoch (Rupert's son) was CEO of News Corp.
This post was edited on 8/29/12 at 10:32 am
Posted on 8/29/12 at 11:12 am to MinnesotaTiger
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You would never see a Regional Sales Manager for a Fortune 1000 company be able to hire his son or daughter as a Sale Rep or District Manager with little to no experience
Not sure if serious.
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Posted by MinnesotaTiger
n/m I am sure
Posted on 8/29/12 at 11:14 am to lsutigers1992
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I agree that Wade is one of the best DCs of the last generation. But I think he will never cut it as a hc.
so it should be considered a bad example. He excelled at the coordinator position, and the next step is head coach.
He was 79-57 as a head coach. He wasn't a bad coach
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