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Hypothetical trade question
Posted on 8/15/12 at 9:57 am
Posted on 8/15/12 at 9:57 am
I know EG10 is all in now, but do you think the Hornets could have gotten more for Gordon than the Magic got for Dwight? I say yes
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Posted on 8/15/12 at 10:00 am to BigDawg0420
Uhhhh
Posted on 8/15/12 at 10:03 am to BigDawg0420
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do you think the Hornets could have gotten more for Gordon than the Magic got for Dwight? I say yes
And how would getting a slightly better crappy rebuild package help the team more than Gordon? The main thing Orlando got was dumping contracts and planning to be bad enough to get high draft picks the next several years. The Hornets don't need another tank year.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 10:05 am to 21JumpStreet
all the trade rumors being thrown around earler in the summer seemed a lot better than Afflalo, Al Harrington and some late firsts. Yeah I know rumors are worthless but I was just curious as to how a deal for Gordon would have stacked up compared to Dwight's
ETA: I agree that the Magic's plan was to rebuild and dump contracts and I also don't think the hornets should have done that for Gordon. It was just my understanding that the Howard trade wasn't well received in Orlando and around the league in general.
ETA: I agree that the Magic's plan was to rebuild and dump contracts and I also don't think the hornets should have done that for Gordon. It was just my understanding that the Howard trade wasn't well received in Orlando and around the league in general.
This post was edited on 8/15/12 at 10:09 am
Posted on 8/15/12 at 10:16 am to BigDawg0420
Best trade rumor I remember hearing was Kendall Marshall, Marcin Gortat, and the Suns’ unprotected 2013 first round pick. There was also the possibility of getting one of the Lakers picks the Suns got for Nash, but either of those is likely late first.
I still think trading for the above offer wouldn't have been too bad a deal. We would definitely be in the lottery next year and so would the Suns without Nash, so we would have 2 early 1st rounders in a projected deep draft. All things considered, I like out outlook now better.
I still think trading for the above offer wouldn't have been too bad a deal. We would definitely be in the lottery next year and so would the Suns without Nash, so we would have 2 early 1st rounders in a projected deep draft. All things considered, I like out outlook now better.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 10:31 am to BigDawg0420
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I was just curious as to how a deal for Gordon would have stacked up compared to Dwight's
Even if it's better than what the Magic got it wouldn't be better than Gordon* if healthy.
I think Portland would have let us overpay for Batum and maybe even take Lillard. Houston you probably could have taken 2-3 young guys and a pick.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 10:56 am to BigDawg0420
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I know EG10 is all in now, but do you think the Hornets could have gotten more for Gordon than the Magic got for Dwight? I say yes
Depends on how you value what Orlando got for Dwight.
Frankly I think they got a shite sandwich back for him. Affalo is good, but not spectacular, while Harrington's partially guaranteed deal isn't great and the package of picks they got was underwhelming.
Draft picks are mainly worth something if they're lottery picks or in a deep draft. The package of picks they got from LA, Denver, and Philly are deep in the 1st or in the 2nd and many of them will be several years in the future instead of coming in 2013.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 11:11 am to BigDawg0420
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It was just my understanding that the Howard trade wasn't well received in Orlando and around the league in general.
Teams rarely get good return for superstar trades. The DWill/Melo deals are anomalies because the two NYC franchises are in a dick measuring contest. And the Hornets needed the Clippers to have an unprotected Minnesota pick plus David Stern, plus luck in the lottery (Stern again) to be where they are. Which is still a likely lottery team.
For example, a late prime Shaq got LA Odom, Caron Butler, and Brian Grant.
Orlando got panned because they waited forever to do a deal, sent out the best player and got floatsam back without shedding much salary. Not sure why they didn't just get Bynum and call it a day. Or deal with Houston and send Hedo and Richardson there as well. They teased and teased and then blew their load too early.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:25 pm to williejameshuft
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Best trade rumor I remember hearing was Kendall Marshall, Marcin Gortat, and the Suns’ unprotected 2013 first round pick.
Rumors are useless. Anyone with an internet connection can start a trade rumor.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 2:15 pm to Jester
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Rumors are useless. Anyone with an internet connection can start a trade rumor.
Those weren't even rumors, those were fan speculations.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 10:36 am to TigerinATL
Apples and oranges, IMO. Orlando's motive in the trade wasn't to acquire as much talent as possible in return; if it was, they would have either taken Bynum in a much simpler trade or grabbed Iggy and removed Denver from the deal completely. They want to bottom out in the short term, because no single asset they could have received would have been better than a couple top-5 draft picks, which they'll likely have for the next two seasons at least.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 10:47 am to GeauxHornets
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They want to bottom out in the short term
They could have done that with the Houston trade for all their rookies and gotten rid of Turkgolu in the process. I don't disagree with you on what they're probably trying to do, but they're not even sucking properly.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 10:55 am to THRILLHO
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They could have done that with the Houston trade for all their rookies and gotten rid of Turkgolu in the process. I don't disagree with you on what they're probably trying to do, but they're not even sucking properly.
I never said I agreed with the end result for Orlando; all I said was they clearly had other priorities than the Hornets would have had they dealt Gordon. I agree, they should have gotten more than they did. That being said, a report came out yesterday that suggests that the Houston offer wasn't as good as everyone may have thought.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 12:44 pm to GeauxHornets
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because no single asset they could have received would have been better than a couple top-5 draft picks, which they'll likely have for the next two seasons at least
False. A 24 year old franchise center is a better asset than 2 top 5 picks.
Even if they were afraid Bynum walks after this year, all that means is that they bottom out a year later.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 1:20 pm to corndeaux
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False. A 24 year old franchise center is a better asset than 2 top 5 picks.
Even if they were afraid Bynum walks after this year, all that means is that they bottom out a year later.
Bynum told Orlando he didn't want to play there. Orlando didn't think it was worth the gamble. If they get Bynum, they don't get as many draft picks.
Additionally, even if they were able to re-sign him, it will cost them a max salary... which he is clearly worth, but every situation is unique. When you're a team in total rebuild mode, you want guys on rookie deals, cheap contracts, or short-term contracts. Bynum is none of the above, and a starting lineup of Nelson/JRich+Redick/Turk/Davis+Ayon/Bynum is not nearly bad enough to bottom out and a terrible place to start a franchise rebuild. I don't like the deal they chose, but I can understand why they didn't just settle for Bynum. I would have gone the Houston route if I were them, even though the offer from the Rockets wasn't as good as we all thought it was at the time.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 1:23 pm to GeauxHornets
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If they get Bynum, they don't get as many draft picks.
Those draft picks are different levels of trash.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 1:25 pm to Jester
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Those draft picks are different levels of trash.
Couldn't agree more, but in their situation it's all about stock-piling assets for the future. First round picks are assets, no matter how you look at it.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 1:27 pm to GeauxHornets
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First round picks are assets, no matter how you look at it.
Marginal assets for a rebuilding team, in my opinion. They are mainly just useful as trade filler.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 1:40 pm to Jester
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Marginal assets for a rebuilding team, in my opinion. They are mainly just useful as trade filler.
It all depends on what they do with the $17 million Trade Exception. If Houston was only offering one prospect and they can turn that TPE into a lottery pick then this deal probably was better. But it's questionable if they can do that.
This post was edited on 8/16/12 at 1:41 pm
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