re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

I wish I was an Oscar Meyer Wiener...

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When speculating on the nature of the weapon Lightbringer, I think people have fallen into the trap of only considering what the sword IS, whether if the flaming sword is in the hands of Stannis but merely incomplete or if it is only a metaphor for the Night's Watch (Jon) or Dragons (Dany). While focusing on the IS allows many possibilities, looking at the HOW allows just one. The only weapon that both matches the prophecy 1 to 1 so far and has the potential to fully fulfill the prophecy is the sword Oathkeeper.

1 - Forged in water as Eddard's greatsword Ice.

2 - Reforged in a lion's breast as the Lannister sword Oathkeeper.

3 - This is the part that is speculation, but I am very confident in it, Brienne will be forced to drive Oathkeeper into Catelyn Tully's (the wife of the swords' original owner) heart and thus shatter both her own oaths and her swords' name. When she pulls the sword out it will inherit the flame passed down from R'hllor to Beric and from Beric to Catelyn, and burst into flames as the sword Lightbringer

Water, Lion, Wife - if Brienne kills Catelyn then the prophecy is matched word for word. This does not necessarily mean that Brienne is THE Azor Ahai, but she will be the sword's forger.

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Would love to see Uncat go out this way.

Brienne is AA? frick that

It wouldn't shock me if Oathkeeper became Lightbringer, but I'd rather the sacrifice be much more meaningful. Brienne knows the Lady Stark she served is for most purposes dead and she's merely serving a wraith of vengeance. If that were to happen, I'd rather Jaime have to sacrifice Brienne to make it happen, or Jon with Arya. Killing off UnCat wouldn't be that difficult for her, especially knowing the truth about Jaime's backstory and his reasons behind it.

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I think the sword(s) are faulty, the red coloring being off as an indication Mott did something wrong. When both break and are recombined ( like Ice, but not Ice) we will have Lightbringer

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Right there with you buddy.

So does that mean since Ice was the Stark weapon that they are descended from AA?

I think Arya makes it the whole way. She's the King's Justice

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I think Arya makes it the whole way. She's the King's Justice

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I highly doubt it. I don't see a happy ending for Arya, even if she survives.

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if AA once stood up to the Others, then its likely that AA was one of the First Men since the First Men and the CotF fought the Others together

If AA was one of the first men, its possible that a Stark was AA, but was only called AA by the followers of R'hllor

but i dont think Valryian steel was in Westeros at the time of that war, so its probably not ICe

but i still think AA was one of the old Starks

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If AA the same as the Last Hero (and I think he is), then that provides more support for your theory. Plus Samwell finds an old account of the Last Hero slaying others with "Dragonsteel," which may be the same as Valyrian.

I don't know why the Last Hero seems to be discussed less than other stories and prophesies, but I just finished a re-read of all of the books and think it could be pretty important. Especially since Martin left the story unfinished, and all we know about the ending (from Bran later on when finding out that Benjen was missing) is:

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All Bran could think of was Old Nan's story of the Others and the last hero, hounded through the white woods by dead men and spiders big as hounds. He was afraid for a moment, until he remembered how that story ended. "The children will help him," he blurted, "the children of the forest!"

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I read this board from time to time. I see this thread every time. I have no idea what asoiaf stands for and I have never looked it up