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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:04 am to Ash Williams
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:04 am to Ash Williams
Unless cold hands was a wight that bloodraven warged into
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:10 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Here is something that could work...
White walkers are the Other God of the Red God
AA and Red Priests are the scale or balancers
Targs/Blackfyre are the fire for the Red God.
Jon is a Targ and is the balancing act of the war between the Red God and the Other.
The Other is in favor right now and Jon will become AA to fuel the Targ/Blackfyre reign of the Red God.
I believe something like this is the main portion of the entire war.
The comet could have been a warning to the Red Priests that the Other God has awoken and released the magic of the Dragons.
Also since Bloodraven was a Targ loyalist, it would make since he sided with the COTF to fight off the White Walkers/Other God
Man that Hu_Flung_Pu has some interesting ideas... cough* cough*
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:13 am to Ash Williams
Ok, so most everybody believes in the R+L=J theory
(And I apologize if this one has already been discussed. i know the theory has been discussed like crazy, i mean this piece of evidence)
well, while rereading GoT last night, i came upon part of Ned's inter monologue that makes me believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that Lyanna birthed a Targaryen or some child that Lyanna had to plead with Ned not to kill and/or protect from Robert. If you'll allow me:
I refer to page 199 on Game of Thrones while Ned and Cat speak with LittleFinger right after Cat reveals what happened with the assassin and "tyrion's dagger". I'm gonna go ahead and quote the whole passage:
So this whole thought that Ned is having is about Robert being okay with the murder of innocents.
At the time, Daenarys didnt not appear to be a threat to the realm, which is why Ned tried to talk him out of assassinating her.
When the mountain smashed Rhaegar's infant son's head against the wall, Robert didn't punish Tywin or the mountain for it, he just turned way.
When in Darry's audience hall, the Queen insisted on Lady, Sansa's innocent sweet direwolf, being killed Robert turned away and did not say anything.
So then he immediately compares all of these things with Lyanna.
He says that Sansa plead for Lady's life just as Lyanna had once plead.
This, to me, is one of the biggest pieces of evidence i've seen thus far showing that Lyanna had an innocent with her in the Tower of Joy that she plead Ned to protect from Robert.
Its the only thing that makes sense.
(And I apologize if this one has already been discussed. i know the theory has been discussed like crazy, i mean this piece of evidence)
well, while rereading GoT last night, i came upon part of Ned's inter monologue that makes me believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that Lyanna birthed a Targaryen or some child that Lyanna had to plead with Ned not to kill and/or protect from Robert. If you'll allow me:
I refer to page 199 on Game of Thrones while Ned and Cat speak with LittleFinger right after Cat reveals what happened with the assassin and "tyrion's dagger". I'm gonna go ahead and quote the whole passage:
quote:
Ned rose and paced the length of the room. "If the queen had a role in this or, gods forbid, the king himself… no, i will not believe that." Yet even as he said the words, he remembered that chill morning on the barrowlands, and Robert's talk of sending hired knives after the Targaryen princess. He remembered Rhaegar's infant son, the red ruin of his skull, and the way the king had turned away, as he had turned away in Darry's audience hall not so long ago. He could still hear Sansa's pleading, as Lyanna had pleaded once."
So this whole thought that Ned is having is about Robert being okay with the murder of innocents.
At the time, Daenarys didnt not appear to be a threat to the realm, which is why Ned tried to talk him out of assassinating her.
When the mountain smashed Rhaegar's infant son's head against the wall, Robert didn't punish Tywin or the mountain for it, he just turned way.
When in Darry's audience hall, the Queen insisted on Lady, Sansa's innocent sweet direwolf, being killed Robert turned away and did not say anything.
So then he immediately compares all of these things with Lyanna.
He says that Sansa plead for Lady's life just as Lyanna had once plead.
This, to me, is one of the biggest pieces of evidence i've seen thus far showing that Lyanna had an innocent with her in the Tower of Joy that she plead Ned to protect from Robert.
Its the only thing that makes sense.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:16 am to CottonWasKing
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Unless cold hands was a wight that bloodraven warged into
its possible
its just something about him seems so independent
he obviously is the subject of magic otherwise he would just be another wight, but i think whenever he tells Bran "I'm your monster Brandon Stark," that it was an intelligent being, not just a controlled corpse
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:20 am to Ash Williams
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Its the only thing that makes sense
Good catch
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:29 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
A theory on Coldhands....
Could he have been a warg long ago that lost his body and permanently warged into an Other or wight?
Could he have been a warg long ago that lost his body and permanently warged into an Other or wight?
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:31 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Could he have been a warg long ago that lost his body and permanently warged into an Other or wight?
possible
i still think he's benjen stark
i know leaf said he died a long time ago, but she may have been saying "long time" in Bran's sense of time, not a child of the forest's
if he's not Benjen Stark, then its definitely safe to say that Benjen will play some bad arse role in the upcoming books.
No way his story is just left to deflate
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:38 am to Ash Williams
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Its the only thing that makes sense
We had a reread thread a few months back and this was one I caught. It was the moment I put the book down and knew he was Rhaegar's and Lyanna's son. After the third read through, I couldn't believe I missed it the first time.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:41 am to Ash Williams
quote:that, or Lyanna warged into a reanimated Targaryen Ice Kraken in attempt to poison R'hllor
Its the only thing that makes sense.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:41 am to Mr. Wayne
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We had a reread thread a few months back and this was one I caught. It was the moment I put the book down and knew he was Rhaegar's and Lyanna's son. After the third read through, I couldn't believe I missed it the first time.
yea especially since i know all these theories now (which i didnt read any theories before finishing the fifth book), on the reread im going through with a much more open mind about certain things
a few days ago i compared it to watching the sixth sense for a second and third time
"well shite, of course he was dead"
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:42 am to manwich
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that, or Lyanna warged into a reanimated Targaryen Ice Kraken in attempt to poison R'hllor
shite
didnt think of that
i'll delete my post
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:01 am to Ash Williams
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i still think he's benjen stark
I really think there is absolutely zero chance that is the case
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if he's not Benjen Stark, then its definitely safe to say that Benjen will play some bad arse role in the upcoming books. No way his story is just left to deflate
I know most or all don't agree with me but I don't see this either.
Benjen never really had a story. He got Jon to the nights watch and gave the nights watch a way to get to the fist of te first men. Causing the collapse of the nights watch's fighting force and the murder of Jeor Mormont, which ushered in Jon's rise to lord commander.
I just think his work as a literary device is over and there is no reason for him to show back up after 2-3 years beyond the wall. He's just gone.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:09 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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A theory on Coldhands....
Could he have been a warg long ago that lost his body and permanently warged into an Other or wight?
What if the wight that is being warged is Benjen? Woah daddy.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:20 am to CottonWasKing
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I just think his work as a literary device is over and there is no reason for him to show back up after 2-3 years beyond the wall. He's just gone.
i know, it just seems to me that every other Stark in the series has some major role
I dont think Benjen's only role is "escorts Jon"
I could be wrong, i just hope im not
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:27 am to Ash Williams
I'm not saying that there isn't more to his story. I just doubt we ever see him a live again. I really hope we don't honestly. To many people have come back from the dead already.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:30 am to ColaTiger
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What if the wight that is being warged is Benjen? Woah daddy.
There, the mystery of Benjen is solved and the dead a long time is busted.
eta: a warg from long ago died and permanently warged into creature to creature and this time he warged into the wight of Benjen to help Bran be more comfortable at the right time.
This post was edited on 4/23/13 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/23/13 at 10:23 am to CottonWasKing
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I'm not saying that there isn't more to his story. I just doubt we ever see him a live again. I really hope we don't honestly. To many people have come back from the dead already.
But I don't think it's been established that Benjen is dead. So he doesn't really have to come back from the dead. There is certainly less evidence of his "death" than either Jon or Cat. And most people feel that Jon will be back one way or another. And that bitch UnCat is still around of course.
I really don't have a strong feeling one way or the other on whether Benjen will pop up again and, if so, the particulars of that. I'm sure in conditions like those that exist in SOI&F, people disappeared from time to time and no one really knew what had happened to them. There is a lot of chaos and a lot of wilderness and communication is not all that. I guess it's possible that Martin wants to show the "disappeared never to be heard from again" paradigm. But I don't really think that's the most likely outcome.
One thing that strikes me is that Benjen had to either disappear or die for events to play out so that Jon becomes the commander of the Night's Watch. As first ranger, as a Stark and a someone who seems to have been respected among the NW, I think he would have been chosen commander before Jon.
This post was edited on 4/23/13 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/23/13 at 11:49 am to Methuselah
Well no one would've been chosen if he didn't disappear because Mormont would still be alive.
And I think if someone goes missing behind the wall for multiple years the same time the Others are coming back and the wildlings are FLEEING their homeland then that's pretty good evidence of their death
And I think if someone goes missing behind the wall for multiple years the same time the Others are coming back and the wildlings are FLEEING their homeland then that's pretty good evidence of their death
Posted on 4/23/13 at 11:57 am to Ash Williams
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watching the sixth sense for a second and third time
"well shite, of course he was dead"
Spoilers
Posted on 4/23/13 at 11:57 am to CottonWasKing
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I'm not saying that there isn't more to his story. I just doubt we ever see him a live again. I really hope we don't honestly. To many people have come back from the dead already.
I could see him coming out of left field, possibly in a place like Skagos. We know Davos is heading there and that Osha and Rickon are already there (or en route).
What if somehow Benjen chased, was chased, or followed someone/thing to Skagos and his, Rickon's and Davos' storylines converge?
I know its crackpottish, but who knows? I do believe that his story isn't finished, but I don't think he's Coldhands.
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