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Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:03 pm to Carson123987
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Rickon - The Smith?
yes, because isn't it mentioned how he is retarded strong or something? would fit and could possibly foreshadow a role he has later on
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:07 pm to OMLandshark
I think the Shae being in Tywin's bed scene was put in more to demonstrate Tyrion being betrayed by Shae than about making him hate Tywin even more. He hated Tywin plenty enough already. But I think it may have taken this extreme to make him cut ties with Shae even beyond her testimony. (I wish I could remember the details of her testimony against him but it's been awhile since I read tht).
As to Tywin, you can look at it a couple different ways. He may just have wanted to nail down 100% that Shae's testimony at Tyrion's trial would not falter or be changed. So he may have wanted to keep her close and lead her to think she had a cushy gig as his ho' until he was sure he didn't need her anymore. Or it could just be that Tywin was like pretty much the vast majority of medieval style royalty and enjoyed him some strange. Heck, I'm sure almost all of the European kings were like that. With the exception of maybe a couple of ultra religious ones. And I don't really picture Tywin as being ultra religious.
As to Tywin, you can look at it a couple different ways. He may just have wanted to nail down 100% that Shae's testimony at Tyrion's trial would not falter or be changed. So he may have wanted to keep her close and lead her to think she had a cushy gig as his ho' until he was sure he didn't need her anymore. Or it could just be that Tywin was like pretty much the vast majority of medieval style royalty and enjoyed him some strange. Heck, I'm sure almost all of the European kings were like that. With the exception of maybe a couple of ultra religious ones. And I don't really picture Tywin as being ultra religious.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:10 pm to Carson123987
quote:Wolf Shirt and I hashed that one out over some Sam Adams the other night while watching the police chase
holy frick.....
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:10 pm to OMLandshark
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But I also believe that Varys intended for Tyrion to kill Tywin
I definitely agree with this, Varys has to keep the realm unstable to allow Aegon a chance at taking the throne and Tywin as Hand would have created more stability.
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Agreed. Honestly, while he still completely despises Tyrion, I think Cersei is the child Tywin has the lowest opinion of. I think he deep down knows that Tyrion is a form of him where all of his worse and good qualities are amplified, and thus has some respect for Tyrion's skills. Tywin, while he does love her, doesn't really care about Cersei. He thinks she is foolish, cocky, and slightly crazy. I think he sees a lot of Aerys within her and sees her as almost fully incompetent, which is why he sends Tyrion to her in the first place. As Jaime puts it, Tywin is a glacier while Cersei is merely wildfire.
I agree with this as well, the dialogue between the two of them in this last episode really showed how he feels about Cersei. I think he admires her ambition, but knows she's in over her head and can't even keep her son from acting like a complete jackass.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:15 pm to manwich
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I'm curious if the Seven tie into or oppose the seven Starks because the way I see it:
Ned - The Father
Cat - The Mother
Robb - The Warrior
Bran - The Crone
Sansa - The Maiden
Arya - The Stranger
Rickon - The Smith?
I think the seven represent certain characters, but I don't think they are all Starks:
The Father - Ned/Robert (the first to fall)
The Mother - Dany
The Warrior - Jamie
The Maiden - Brienne
The Stranger - Arya or Jon
The Crone - Bran
The Smith - Gendry or maybe Rickon
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:16 pm to BlackleafBaller
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I definitely agree with this, Varys has to keep the realm unstable to allow Aegon a chance at taking the throne and Tywin as Hand would have created more stability.
Did Varys intend to have Tyrion kill Tywin before or after Jaime put a knife to his throat?
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:18 pm to manwich
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Wolf Shirt and I hashed that one out over some Sam Adams the other night while watching the police chase
that is so sick. so badass
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:22 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Probably after, but killing Tywin eventually was probably part of the plan all along. If the Red Viper had already poisoned Tywin and Varys knew since he's been in contact with the Dornish to some extent regarding Viserys/Arianne & Dany/Quentyn (not sure if he knew about this actually), then letting Tyrion kill him instead shifts the blame away from Dorne.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:27 pm to BlackleafBaller
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Probably after, but killing Tywin eventually was probably part of the plan all along. If the Red Viper had already poisoned Tywin and Varys knew since he's been in contact with the Dornish to some extent regarding Viserys/Arianne & Dany/Quentyn (not sure if he knew about this actually), then letting Tyrion kill him instead shifts the blame away from Dorne.
I am nearing the end of SoS reread. At the end of a Jaime chapter he mentions that he is going to go talk to Varys. Is this where Varys talks Jaime into freeing Tyrion?
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:40 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal.
pale mare - bloody flux
Kraken and dark flame - Vol & Euron?
lion and griffin - Tyrion and Cottington?
sun's son - the Martell
mummer's dragon - Aegon?
perfumed seneschal - ?
This post was edited on 4/22/13 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:41 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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pale mare - ?
Could be Dany. She rides a white horse
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:42 pm to ColaTiger
mind blown
it's the bloody flux but could it be something else?
it's the bloody flux but could it be something else?
This post was edited on 4/22/13 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:49 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Kraken and dark flame - Vol & Euron?
perfumed seneschal - ?
Dark flame - the Red Priest with Victarion (Kraken)
perfumed seneschal - The dude she marries in Meereen
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:50 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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the Red Priest
oh yeah
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:52 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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dark flame
blackfyre?
eta: nevermind I read a wiki about victarion and the priest
This post was edited on 4/22/13 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:56 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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blackfyre?
That would be good if someone was a known Blackfyre. Who is the Blackfyre? Aegon or the dude in Pentos
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:59 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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That would be good if someone was a known Blackfyre. Who is the Blackfyre? Aegon or the dude in Pentos
Varys I think.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 2:01 pm to OMLandshark
If only someone would ask him his last name.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 2:17 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Im gonna ask a non-blackfyre related question or 2 here the may have been addressed already:
1) How is it that white walkers were able to get south of the wall but cold hands couldnt?
i thought the wall stopped all magic (others-style) magic from passing through
Is it because the dead nightswatchmen were brought south of the wall before reanimating as walkers?
2) im seeing some people talk about how the Children of the Forest and/or some other groups of people might even be allying with the Others. What would be the benefit for anyone to do that?
1) How is it that white walkers were able to get south of the wall but cold hands couldnt?
i thought the wall stopped all magic (others-style) magic from passing through
Is it because the dead nightswatchmen were brought south of the wall before reanimating as walkers?
2) im seeing some people talk about how the Children of the Forest and/or some other groups of people might even be allying with the Others. What would be the benefit for anyone to do that?
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