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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:59 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:59 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Think about it, Moroqo(sp?)'s vision is a twisted thing with tentacles, one eye, etc. coming on a sea of blood. If Euron is still playing around with the shield islands how could this make sense? IMO, the warlocks + the vision + Victarion always being bested by Euron makes me believe this. I can see Victarion coming back onto the ship boasting about smashing the Mereen host and getting a dragon only to have his throat slit by the Dusky Woman ie. Euron.
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Posted on 11/13/12 at 1:00 pm to OMLandshark
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Agreed, but I'm thinking he'll become an even more rabbid dog across the North causing death a misery wherever he goes. The fact that he no longer has the fake Arya Stark is going to be a huge detriment to his power. I think Jon Snow will encounter him, but I too see no place for him in ADOS.
Remember in GoT when ghost is under the table? The bitch dog is snarling at him trying to take the food, ghost bares his teeth and growls back and the bitch dog backs down. Foreshadowing, Bolton=bitch dog.
Posted on 11/13/12 at 1:06 pm to OMLandshark
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I will be pissed if Aegon is on the Iron Throne at the very end of the series since he came right the hell out of nowhere.
Paraphrasing: "you're fathers lands are beautiful he said as he looked at the boy's eyes as he once did his father's. His fathers were much darker than this boys though." Joncon is starting to realize that Aegon isn't Aegon, if Aegon is indeed alive he is Darkstar not this little shite. "his eyes were purple, dark purple and angry".
Posted on 11/13/12 at 1:14 pm to skirpnasty
I'm glad you're here, skirp. Bringing a lot in such a short time
Posted on 11/13/12 at 1:25 pm to Carson123987
This is my favorite board, its nice to have somewhere to discuss theories until GRRM rolls out winds of winter in about 7 years. 
Posted on 11/13/12 at 1:50 pm to skirpnasty
I don't think Connington will ever know that Aegon is a Blackfyre.
And I doubt Darkstar is any more than who we think he is...ie a Dayne.
And I doubt Darkstar is any more than who we think he is...ie a Dayne.
This post was edited on 11/13/12 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 11/13/12 at 1:58 pm to NIH
I agree that he could die before he knows but I think he is starting to see that he is different from Rhaegar, Darkstar is definitely more than we know though at the very least. The fake identity scheme is getting out of hand but I'm fairly certain of a few.
1. Mance is Ser Arthur Dayne.
2. Aegon is not Aegon.
3. Jon is R+J.
4. Darkstar is more important than he has seemed to this point, I hope he turns out to be a bad arse. He didn't barely miss killing Myrcella by accident, he intended it.
1. Mance is Ser Arthur Dayne.
2. Aegon is not Aegon.
3. Jon is R+J.
4. Darkstar is more important than he has seemed to this point, I hope he turns out to be a bad arse. He didn't barely miss killing Myrcella by accident, he intended it.
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:01 pm to skirpnasty
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Mance is Ser Arthur Dayne.
explain
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:09 pm to skirpnasty
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1. Mance is Ser Arthur Dayne
. . .hmmm, . . .
Martin's made some cryptic comments about how we all think we know what happened at the ToJ but we're way off the mark. I've read and reread that sequence wondering what I'd missed but all I could come up with was Dayne killing himself to send Jon north with Ned and I didn't really see how that would affect the story going forward.
I'm not sure of the timeline of those comments either. Maybe they were before Martin realized everyone and their brother had figured out Jon Snow's secret.
This post was edited on 11/13/12 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:21 pm to skirpnasty
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1. Mance is Ser Arthur Dayne.
Now THIS is something I've never thought of, and truly would LOVE. I'm going to go back and read his conversations with Jon, which would be even more epic than they already are if true. But, off the top of my head, wouldn't Mance being at the feast at Winterfell with Robert and the Lannisters make this VERY dangerous?? If he was spotted, everything would have gone to hell in a flash. This could be a problem for that theory.
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Darkstar didnt barely miss killing Myrcella by accident, he intended it
Another great thought that I hadn't considered. I like it. Tell me more about what you think his motivations could be for this??
This post was edited on 11/13/12 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:22 pm to NIH
When talking to Bran about Knights he says "the best I ever knew was Ser Arthur Dayne, who would have killed me had it not been for Howland Reed", he then became sad and wouldn't speak about it further. Reed stepped in the way and was killed to save Ned, Dayne yielded when he realized Ned was going to do Jon no harm and Ned made him take the black because he would have refused to join Robert's Kings guard.
Jaime says when talking to the kings guard, "I learned from the best who has ever lived, Ser Arthur Dayne, who could slay all 5 of you with his left hand while taking a piss with his right". Curious that despite him being that good Ned (who as great as he is has never been refered to as a masterful swordsman) supposedly killed him in single combat.
Mance was supposedly fathered on the wall after they found him as a child, fathering children is directly against their vows and they would have taken him somewhere else to be fostered. He claims to have never met Benjen which would be nearly impossible in such a small watch, I think it is more likely that benjen took the black with him under Ned's request.
We have a first hand account of Mance's skill with a long sword and his strength through Jon when Jon thinks it is Rattleshirt, he wouldn't have learned to be that good with a sword on the wall.
In GoT when talking about the king beyond the wall, Ned tells Cat "we have nothing to fear of Mance Rayder". Why would he have nothing to fear if he didn't know him?
Last but not least in 15 years since nobody has seen or heard of Howland Reed, even when Robb raised his banners. It isn't because he is keeping the secret of Jon it's because he died at the ToJ.
It explains the father like agenda Mance shows to Jon, it shows why Mel actually saved him, and it shows why Mance is now doing Jon's bidding. He is the fricking sword of the morning and still sees his allegiance as a knight of the kings guard to Jon, the rightful king in his mind. When this unfolds it's going to be the most bad arse thing ever.
Jaime says when talking to the kings guard, "I learned from the best who has ever lived, Ser Arthur Dayne, who could slay all 5 of you with his left hand while taking a piss with his right". Curious that despite him being that good Ned (who as great as he is has never been refered to as a masterful swordsman) supposedly killed him in single combat.
Mance was supposedly fathered on the wall after they found him as a child, fathering children is directly against their vows and they would have taken him somewhere else to be fostered. He claims to have never met Benjen which would be nearly impossible in such a small watch, I think it is more likely that benjen took the black with him under Ned's request.
We have a first hand account of Mance's skill with a long sword and his strength through Jon when Jon thinks it is Rattleshirt, he wouldn't have learned to be that good with a sword on the wall.
In GoT when talking about the king beyond the wall, Ned tells Cat "we have nothing to fear of Mance Rayder". Why would he have nothing to fear if he didn't know him?
Last but not least in 15 years since nobody has seen or heard of Howland Reed, even when Robb raised his banners. It isn't because he is keeping the secret of Jon it's because he died at the ToJ.
It explains the father like agenda Mance shows to Jon, it shows why Mel actually saved him, and it shows why Mance is now doing Jon's bidding. He is the fricking sword of the morning and still sees his allegiance as a knight of the kings guard to Jon, the rightful king in his mind. When this unfolds it's going to be the most bad arse thing ever.
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:26 pm to skirpnasty
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Last but not least in 15 years since nobody has seen or heard of Howland Reed
Meera and Jojen are under <15.
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:30 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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But, off the top of my head, wouldn't Mance being at the feast at Winterfell with Robert and the Lannisters make this VERY dangerous?? If he was spotted, everything would have gone to hell in a flash. This could be a problem for that theory.
He was there with Benjen which is another hint in my mind. I think Mance and Benjen were working with one another to gather the wildlings and get them across the wall because they knew what was coming. Robert wouldn't have noticed him dressed as a bard and 15 years after he died/disappeared. There is no way Mance could sneak into a dinner with the king without Ned's consent. Also don't forget the chapter where he talks about seeing Jon and Robb playing in the snow as kids, why would that have stuck out so much to him if he didn't know Jon?
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:31 pm to shinerfan
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Meera and Jojen are under <15.
We don't know their age. What we DO know is that they say Craggonmen grow slower and age faster, their people appear younger than they are.
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:36 pm to skirpnasty
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It explains the father like agenda Mance shows to Jon, it shows why Mel actually saved him, and it shows why Mance is now doing Jon's bidding. He is the fricking sword of the morning and still sees his allegiance as a knight of the kings guard to Jon, the rightful king in his mind. When this unfolds it's going to be the most bad arse thing ever.
:MINDfrickINGBLOWN:
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:52 pm to skirpnasty
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He is the fricking sword of the morning and still sees his allegiance as a knight of the kings guard to Jon, the rightful king in his mind. When this unfolds it's going to be the most bad arse thing ever.
Posted on 11/13/12 at 2:56 pm to skirpnasty
Wow, that's good. It would certainly explain Mance's bravado when Theon was warning him about Ramsay.
Posted on 11/13/12 at 3:01 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Too many loose ends for me to believe Mance=Dayne and I'm not sure I even want it. I like that all the Great true knights are gone from Westeros. Signaling the coming of dark days aka the long knight. The great men are dead now only children who grew up with the stories remain to hold back the darkness.
Posted on 11/13/12 at 3:04 pm to skirpnasty
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Robert wouldn't have noticed him dressed as a bard and 15 years after he died/disappeared.
Man I am LOVING this theory. Him being in Winterfell with Benjen after them taking the black together. Ned telling Cat they have nothing to fear from Mance. Mance seeing Jon and Robb playing in the snow. Jon fighting Mance as Rattleshirt......FUUUUUCK.
But I still think that Mance at that feast is extremely dangerous. Robert may not have recognized him, but Jaime SURELY would.
Was Selmy there too? If so, this becomes much less likely IMO. No way Barristan the Bold would have missed spotting Arthur Dayne.
But frick it's a great theory....
This post was edited on 11/13/12 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 11/13/12 at 3:07 pm to CottonWasKing
Well Barriston is still around and Mormont is older, and the ones defending Westeros now aren't exactly children. You have to remember that in the time setting most people died before they saw 40. Jon is considered a grown arse man at this point and Stannis is probably 35.
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