re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

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Do most people feel Martin will remain true to his word and NOT change the outcome of certain characters based on the fact that dots have been drawn online to answer a number of the prophecies? I would find it greatly disappointing to get thrown a curveball when he has perfectly foreshadowed the fates of some of our characters.

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GRRM has addressed this numerous times. He maintains that while he is aware of a few major theories first the most part he likes to stay ignorant of this type of thing. He also has said that he refuses to write his story around us, he has drawn his clues and if he starts changing the endgame now they wouldn't make sense and would destroy his work.

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as did Cersei's prophecy in AFFC. I've just felt that since SOS he's been flying by the seat of his pants a little more.

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Nah, the prophesy explains Cersei well. Cersei has been absolutely terrified of Tyrion throughout the series, and this explains why she's so afraid of him, when everyone else before CoK greatly underestimated his uses and abilities. Say what you will about Tywin, but he was never afraid of Tyrion.

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Nah, the prophesy explains Cersei well. Cersei has been absolutely terrified of Tyrion throughout the series, and this explains why she's so afraid of him, when everyone else before CoK greatly underestimated his uses and abilities. Say what you will about Tywin, but he was never afraid of Tyrion.

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I guess the fact that she was not a POV character until AFFC could contribute to that fact, but I never much got fear of Tyrion until Joff was killed in SOS. Perhaps ordering the Kingsguard member (name escapes me) to kill Tyrion in COK could have been an indication of some personal fear, but I just never saw it that way. Of course, after reading AFFC I can see that view, but in the moment it seemed like she had disdain for Tyrion like her father did, and she wanted him out of her hair primarily because he was usurping her power - nothing about her fear that Tyrion would kill her.

The prophecy appeared, to me, to be a way to retcon that relationship to an extent and provide some padding now that we get to go into Cersei's mind in AFFC. Those chapters were actually pretty damn entertaining and interesting, I just couldn't help but think "wasn't this convenient" when the prophecy was described.

Of course, you did just finish the series so it may be fresher in your mind. Finished my re-read in June so may be struggling with smaller moments.

Also, not trying to be negative. I've loved the series enough to plow through it multiple times. Only growing slightly concerned at how he can possible wrap this thing up satisfactorily.

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Yeah, that's one of the big ones, but Cersei very much feared Tyrion around her children from the start of the series, and Joffrey feared Tyrion as well. With Myrcella, I think she thought Tyrion was sending her to her death basically by handing her over to the Dornishmen, and she had him have him killed before she led to her, Joffrey, and Tommen's death. Cersei still saw herself as the one in power during CoK and that Tyrion was just a nuissance to her rule, but he was a huge threat to her and her children's lives.

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Of course Joffrey hated him - Tyrion was one of the only people who openly put the kid in his place (insert obligatory gif here)



I don't think either of us disagree about the EXTREME protectiveness of Cersei, just sort of the motivation behind it. Clearly your reasoning is correct based on the whole of the text. I guess I struggle with it because before AFFC, I wouldn't have viewed that motivation the same way (if that makes sense). Hence why we're discussing it right now.

I agree. That theory is too out there. If that was true, id be really frickin mad

That's the downfall of Tywin...for being such a perceptive, smart guy he failed to see that Tyrion was the most like him and a good person while missing Cersei & Jamie's fricked up relationship all together. Even Kevan knew.

I had the exact same thy -maybe not in this thread- of how Tyrion could be from Aerys. Hadn't picked up the Lollys rape child Tyrion link. Nice catch.

Sorry guys but when I read the books, this thy not only seemed possible, but likely. Not nearly as out there as some others I've heard. Like I said before, something sent Tywin and family packing for Cast Rock quick fast and in a hurry.

Then when Tywin returns, he betrays Aerys, has Jaime kill Aerys and effectively ends the Targ line forever ordering Rhaegars kids slaughtered.

Some big shite was on Tywins mind. Much more than fealty proof to Robert.

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Sorry, but the theory is complete bull shite. Tywin was Hand of the King for another 8 years after Tyrion was born. If Tywin left right before or soon after Tyrion was born, then you may have a case. But no, the theory is complete bull shite and insulting from things directly told to us and hinted. No way Tyrion is Aerys' son. There are too many of those floating around right now anyway.

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You made my exact post

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No way Tyrion is Aerys' son. There are too many of those floating around right now anyway.

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Agree 100% with you. I would say this red herring (from ADWD right?) is another example of Martin just randomly throwing shite into the story that's possibly influenced by Westeros.org and other online sites (as this idea had been bandied about before ADWD was published*).

After SOS, I find it hard to believe anyone could think Tyrion was anything but Tywin's son (their last exchange so perfectly reflecting each other). However, Martin has added in that Tyrion had dragon dreams (this was from ADWD, right?) and the Joanna tidbit. Many had already thought Tyrion would be one of the 3 heads of the dragon (likely with Jon and Dany) and since Jon/Dany are more than likely Targaryen descendants, so too must Tyrion be. Not saying I agree with it (don't necessarily believe the three heads must be Targaryens OR that Tyrion will be one of the three heads), but that's what leads to the speculation.

Tyrion not being Tywin's son would undercut many of the events from the first three books. Also it would indicate that Westeros had a bigger bastard problem than North Baton Rouge.