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After a long and winding path, we walked away from the house...

Posted on 8/7/12 at 8:44 am
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 8:44 am
we wanted to buy. Approved at $695/mo with PITI. Great deal on a great property. But we got the elavation certificate in.

We knew we were in a flood zone & I wrote into the contract that we would get a Letter Of Map Amendment, or LOMA so we could avoid flood insurance altogether. We were thinking even if we were, $400-500/year in a flood policy wasn't all that bad.

The certificate came back, & it looks like a colossal screw up on the part of the builder or engineer. I'm more inclined to say the Engineer in this case. Won't name names though. But the Engineer marks the property initially for the builder, and they do dirtwork to put the slab at an elavation necessary to either get a LOMA or pay discounted flood policies.

The slab was measured to be at base flood elavation. Not above, but at. Which means my flood insurance policy skyrocketed. Got quoted almost $1400/year for premiums.

I have a connection w/flood insurance & I know that the feds are about to stop subsidizing flood policies in two years, at which time its expected flood insurance policy premiums are going to jump on average 25%. Meaning I'd be paying almost $2,000/year on top of my PITI.

The increased cost of home ownership at that point is just not outweighed by the price, location & quality of home we're buying. That's saying something because we are extremely happy with all three of the latter aspects.

Would've essentially increased our payments $144/month. So we walked. Ideally we'd like to build the exact same house-with just a bit more dirt underneath it-nearby, & the builder has a few other lots in the area I believe.

The question now becomes whether the builder knew early on that he had an issue and put the home on the market at that lower price point to make it more attractive, and whether he can afford to sell another one at that same price or whether he ups the price on us.

Sucks because we went through some serious hassles getting Rural Development Approved with Debt-to-Income ratios, etc. Right after I called the realtor my broker called to let me know we were approved. He put in a ton of work and I was regretful in having to tell him we were gonna walk away.

But ultimately we feel good. Just back to the drawing board now.

Anyone else balked and walked away like this before?
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 8:53 am to
Is this in LP where FEMA royally screwed up the flood maps using water flow data from the 80s and elevations for today.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 8:56 am to
quote:

Is this in LP where FEMA royally screwed up the flood maps using water flow data from the 80s and elevations for today.


Its in Livingston. My elavation itself is either 83 or 86 feet. But I'm still in an AE flood zone which means its up to the owner (in this case the lender obviously) and in all my years originating I never found a lender in an AE zone that didn't opt to require coverage.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27678 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 9:09 am to
quote:

Not above, but at.


I never understand why builders/engineers do this. When I build a house it will be at least 1' above the BFE. Much better rate and you never know when you'll be re-mapped into a high risk flood zone. If FEMA does get out of the flood insurance business (which they should, but I doubt), rates will skyrocket and a lot of people will be in a bind.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 9:18 am to
quote:

Slickback
quote:



I never understand why builders/engineers do this. When I build a house it will be at least 1' above the BFE. Much better rate and you never know when you'll be re-mapped into a high risk flood zone. If FEMA does get out of the flood insurance business (which they should, but I doubt), rates will skyrocket and a lot of people will be in a bind.


Tons of people don't realize the impact of flood insurance & those rates and what the NFIP does for them. Thankfully I have a family member who educated me long ago.

Like I said it was a screw-up. I just don't believe a builder would (knowingly) build to BFE and not above it. That's why I'm guessing it was probably the Engineer that shot the lots prior to slab-pouring.

You know you can build up a maximum of 3 feet right? I know that's an entire yard and that's a lot of dirt work on the lot but it would be worth it ultimately.
Posted by Swifty
Member since May 2012
950 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Anyone else balked and walked away like this before?


Yes, just closed on my first house last friday. Before that I had placed an offer and ernest money on a property that I was very excited about. The inspection report came back a week later with a ton of major issues including a non-functioning HVAC system, and serrious water damage on four sides of the house. Sucked to walk away at the time but overall it was a great decision. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't do.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

I have a connection w/flood insurance & I know that the feds are about to stop subsidizing flood policies in two years, at which time its expected flood insurance policy premiums are going to jump on average 25%. Meaning I'd be paying almost $2,000/year on top of my PITI.


Is there a single article anywhere that warns of this? I just dont see it happening
Posted by jtraylor387
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2008
213 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:59 pm to
My house is for sale in Denham and I am NOT in a flood zone. you would still qualify for Rural Development!
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 4:12 pm to
quote:

jtraylor387
quote:

My house is for sale in Denham and I am NOT in a flood zone. you would still qualify for Rural Development!


Gotta link?
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

Is there a single article anywhere that warns of this? I just dont see it happening


I can guarantee you that my source on this is 100% ironclad. I'm not going to throw things around but rest assured in RE: to flood insurance, FEMA mapping, NFIP concerns etc, my source couldn't be more juiced in.
Posted by mctiger1985
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
3693 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 5:48 pm to
Looked on google about your flood comments and found this:
Biggert-Waters Flood Insurance Reform Act of 2012

Subsidies (Sec. 100205, amending 42 U.S.C. 4104)
The Reform Act makes significant progress in phasing out insurance subsidies. Although pre-FIRM properties
may maintain subsidies, the Reform Act eliminates subsidies for second homes, business properties, severe
repetitive loss properties,41 properties incurring flood damages that equal or exceed the fair market value (FMV)
of the property, and properties that are substantially damaged (greater than 50 percent of the FMV) or
substantially improved (greater than 30 percent of the FMV). Subsidies also cannot be extended when homes are
sold to new owners, properties that were not insured or had a lapse in coverage after the enactment of the Reform
Act, and insured owners of SRL or repetitive loss structures that refuse mitigation assistance after their structure
is destroyed in a disaster. Where subsidies are phased out because of damage to the property, the annual premium
increase is limited to 25 percent until premium levels are harmonized with those for other unsubsidized properties.
This post was edited on 8/7/12 at 5:55 pm
Posted by jtraylor387
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2008
213 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 12:38 pm to
email me: jtraylor387@gmail.com
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