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The Elephant in the Room...
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:05 am
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:05 am
If Vilma has rattled the cage in such a way that the Commish is willing to reduce his punishment by 50%, at what time does Sean P. do the exact same thing?? Also, what about the entire group of suspended/punished players? The possibility of a settlement itself shows a great deal of weakness in the NFL's ruling. Personally,I hope the entire situation changes so ole Rog' can pretend to keep his reputation and the entire NFL's rep in tact....PRECEDENT IS A BITCH!!! WHODAT!!
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Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:22 am to EMILIO
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:44 am to EMILIO
I hope your right, but part of me just wants this to be over. I don't like them, but I have accepted the penalties. I am ready to just move on to the season where the Saints are still one of the best teams in NFL, with the BEST QB in the NFL
Posted on 8/6/12 at 5:04 am to EMILIO
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at what time does Sean P. do the exact same thing??
I was coming here to post this exact same thing.
Initially, I understood why Payton was being silent. I think he thought it would be best for the team if he basically fell on the sword for the team so that everyone could move past this.
But immediately after the players suspensions came down, and it was clear that this was not going to go away, that it would play out in a courtroom, and in the media, Payton should have jumped on the appeals process as well. If he had, I have no doubt he'd be our coach at some point this season.
While he wouldn't have the support of the NFLPA, Vilma has basically taken this on by himself anyway, not just in appealing the ruling, but in going after Goodell civilly for personal damages. Payton should be doing the same thing. And unless I'm mistaken, he wouldn't even have the players' biggest weakness in his case, the CBA where the players agreed to abide by any discipline imposed by the commissioner. Am I wrong there?
I understand that as the coach, he bears the responsibility for the incentive pool established by his DC, and for continuing to run it after being warned to stop. But Payton is suffering from the same BS line that Goodell has been hammering non-stop that this was a "pay for injury" program. Goodell would have the same liability for defamation towards Payton as he certainly does for Vilma IMO.
A lawsuit by Payton could get us our coach back for some part of the regular season, and more importantly, the postseason.
As happy as I'll be for Vilma if he gets to earn some money in what is likely one of his last few years as a football player, even though Lofton is our guy at MLB now, and as nice as it would be to have Smith for the Green Bay game, and possibly even the Carolina game, getting Payton back is the only thing that will have a substantial impact on our season IMO.
So, unless Payton already has a deal with Goodell that the suspension will be lifted at some point in the season so long as he keeps quiet, I think it is time, Coach Payton, for you to.......
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 5:08 am
Posted on 8/6/12 at 6:11 am to Tiger Voodoo
That's Sean Paytons best Blue Steel imo
Posted on 8/6/12 at 6:33 am to The Sad Banana
You must never hope a situation is over unless truth is out there. If these guys were as guilty as the NFL is trying to paint them don't you think they'd have folded by now?
Roger is going to have a mess on his hands trying to give a proper settlement to the Saints once this is all out there.
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Roger is going to have a mess on his hands trying to give a proper settlement to the Saints once this is all out there.
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This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 6:34 am
Posted on 8/6/12 at 6:40 am to Bayou
I hope Sean gets reduced but he's a coach and can easily make up his money by coaching longer. I'm afraid he might just keep his punishment and not risk further discipline.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 7:01 am to MinnesotaTiger
If Vilma gets the injuction from the judge, would not be suprised to see SP on the side line first game of the season.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 7:02 am to DownHome
Would be so awesome but wouldn't either the saints or Payton have to Sue to get this result? Regardless Vilma needs to hang in there.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 7:07 am
Posted on 8/6/12 at 7:28 am to MinnesotaTiger
The way I see it, if you have no case against the players then you have no case against the coaches. Plus on top of it all we are starting to the NFL cave in with all of the possible settlement talk. I honestly believe we will see our coach on the side line at some point and time this season.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 7:30 am
Posted on 8/6/12 at 7:32 am to EMILIO
Elephant in the room and an Emilio on the board.
At what point do the owners step in and give a performance review on their crawfish employee.
At what point do the owners step in and give a performance review on their crawfish employee.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:23 am to EMILIO
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If Vilma has rattled the cage in such a way that the Commish is willing to reduce his punishment by 50%, at what time does Sean P. do the exact same thing??
Vilma has different tools and evidence to rattle Goodell's cage with. Saying you never tried to injure anyone or offered $10,000 for Brett Favre is a very different claim than a Pay for Performance program =/= Pay for Injury program. When the bounty case first broke the topic came up in conversation between my wife, mother and father. I was the only person that wasn't completely shocked and disgusted and I really didn't say much because I knew telling them it's just macho locker room talk wouldn't have made a difference. From their perspective being rewarded for legally tackling a guy so hard he has to come out a few plays is is as bad as trying to take out someone's knee with an illegal hit.
The only way I see Payton getting a sentence reduction without Goodell going down is if the Saints start out hot and the media starts making the case for how the game will suffer and how unfair it is that one of the league's contenders is without it HC because of BS trumped up charges.
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At what point do the owners step in and give a performance review on their crawfish employee.
At the point that it effects ratings negatively, which it won't. Goodell has only made the owners richer with this by giving them a fake issue to get money back from the players during the next CBA negotiations.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 8:25 am
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:25 am to EMILIO
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The Elephant in the Room...
Mark Ingram?
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:31 am to EMILIO
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If Vilma has rattled the cage in such a way that the Commish is willing to reduce his punishment by 50%, at what time does Sean P. do the exact same thing?? Also, what about the entire group of suspended/punished players? The possibility of a settlement itself shows a great deal of weakness in the NFL's ruling. Personally,I hope the entire situation changes so ole Rog' can pretend to keep his reputation and the entire NFL's rep in tact....PRECEDENT IS A BITCH!!! WHODAT!!
First you have to understand the difference between Villma and SP. SP is managament and would like to coach again in the NFL, maybe for another 15 to 20 years. JV has 1 to two years playing time left, maybe 3. Payton can be blackballed by the NFL and has a lot to lose in terms of a future career. VJ's time is now, SP's time is in the future.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 9:46 am to GumboPot
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VJ's time is now, SP's time is in the future.
Don't forget that Vilma has the Player's Union to back him up which is way more powerful in terms of accomplishing things with the league. Since there is no coaches union, SP is just one man standing alone.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 9:54 am to Scrowe
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Don't forget that Vilma has the Player's Union to back him up which is way more powerful in terms of accomplishing things with the league. Since there is no coaches union, SP is just one man standing alone.
Totally agree...that's what I was inferring when I said "SP is management" in my previous post.
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