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Bill Simmons on Lillard vs Rivers
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:49 pm
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Let's say Austin Rivers shocked everyone by picking Weber State over Duke last year, then stayed there and torched the Big Sky Conference for the next four seasons. Here were Rivers's numbers in his only Duke season (at age 19).
2011-12: 15.5 PPG, 2.1 APG, 3.4 RPG, 43.3% FG, 37% 3FG.
Here were Lillard's numbers at Weber State …
2008-09: 11.5 PPG, 2.9 APG, 3.9 RPG, 43% FG, 37% 3FG
2009-10: 19.9 PPG, 3.6 APG, 4.0 RPG, 43% FG, 39% 3FG
2010-11: 17.7 PPG, 3.3 APG, 3.8 RPG, 44% FG, 35% 3FG
2011-12: 24.5 PPG, 4.0 APG, 5.0 RPG, 47% FG, 41% 3FG
Adding that Rivers was one of THE top high school recruits last year, you're telling me Rivers couldn't have done better at Weber State than Lillard did? Better pedigree, better freshman year … what am I missing? Why take Lillard over Rivers when Rivers is 25 months younger?
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Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:51 pm to Toula
Very interesting. I'm so confused. I don't know who I want them to get 
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:55 pm to Toula
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Why take Lillard over Rivers when Rivers is 25 months younger?
People assume that youth = probability to improve, but I wonder why a coach's son shoots FTs so poorly? I'm not saying he can't improve, but if he's supposed to be a decent shooter (36% 3P) why isn't he better at FTs? We already have Henry who can blow by defenders, get to the line and hit FTs at a less than good rate.
If Rivers didn't possess an elite first step/cross over I'd probably have zero interest in him.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:57 pm to Toula
I dont care for Rivers attitude
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:59 pm to Macintosh504
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I dont care for Rivers attitude
what exactly is Rivers's attitude like? And how did you come to this conclusion?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:59 pm to Macintosh504
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I dont care for Rivers attitude
does anyone have links to someone speaking of his bad attitude? because i hear that a lot on here, and I haven't read that anywhere else.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:59 pm to Toula
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you're telling me Rivers couldn't have done better at Weber State than Lillard did?
If this is how you're going to determine your picks you're going to get burned a lot.
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:00 pm to Toula
wow...horrible analysis
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:01 pm to quail man
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Austin Rivers, 6-3 guard, Duke: "My biggest concern with him is size. He's never going to be a pure point because it's not in his personality. He's a capable passer, but he hasn't been a willing passer. He's hard to play with, frankly, because he dominates the ball. It depends on who the coach is. I did not like what I saw at Duke. I thought he was spoiled and selfish. He's a streaky outside shooter, not a great one."
LINK
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:03 pm to saintsfan22
a spoiled Duke kid who is a coach's son? NEVER 
thanks for the link, i hadn't read it anywhere so it's nice to see it's not just hear say
thanks for the link, i hadn't read it anywhere so it's nice to see it's not just hear say
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:04 pm to Toula
I want the hornets to draft lillard so badly
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:05 pm to Toula
Dont let the idiots on this board see this.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:06 pm to saintsfan22
I also think the fact that he's a coach's son drops him on my board. Many players have flaws that can be addressed with good coaching. Rivers should not need the same level of coaching, so how will his flaws be corrected?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:07 pm to dj30
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Dont let the idiots on this board see this.
Who are the idiots? Pray tell.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:08 pm to quail man
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hear say
One word, quail. I'm looking out for you. Although, someone obviously thinks it's more heresy than hearsay.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:09 pm to Jester
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I also think the fact that he's a coach's son drops him on my board. Many players have flaws that can be addressed with good coaching. Rivers should not need the same level of coaching
if Doc was retired, you may have a point
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:10 pm to Toula
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Adding that Rivers was one of THE top high school recruits last year, you're telling me Rivers couldn't have done better at Weber State than Lillard did? Better pedigree, better freshman year … what am I missing? Why take Lillard over Rivers when Rivers is 25 months younger?
A few reasons.
-Lillard is a vastly better athlete
-Lillard has shown the ability to run the point (though most effective as a scorer to his point)
-Multiple testimonies of Rivers not playing well with others/selfish play whereas one guy on termed Lillard "the most unselfish scoring point I've ever seen."
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:10 pm to MrPappagiorgio
Lillard is the best player in the draft that no one on this board has seen play.
Bring him in though, he's so awesome
Bring him in though, he's so awesome
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:13 pm to GynoSandberg
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Lillard is the best player in the draft that no one on this board has seen play.
Bring him in though, he's so awesome
he shot open jumpers really well in workouts
and was a pretty awesome passer in those 3 on 1 fast break drills
oh he also tore up the Big Sky, dropping 4 assists a game one season.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:13 pm to Jester
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Who are the idiots? Pray tell.
90% of the people who post on this board dont know shite about basketball. Thats why the stick to posting gifs and things of the sort.
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