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re: Semi Auto pistol: Safety or No Safety
Posted on 6/27/12 at 10:43 am to AlxTgr
Posted on 6/27/12 at 10:43 am to AlxTgr
quote:
No safety
This is one reason why I don't keep a round in the chamber of my CC weapon. It has a long trigger pull but no safety. So unless I feel in imminent danger I do not put one in the chamber. I have said before that I have pulled my gun in two different situations in the past and I had plenty of time to chamber a round.
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Posted on 6/27/12 at 10:44 am to faxis
quote:
Because it's safer not to have one in the chamber.
Basic gun safety stuff here folks.
Isn't that a crutch??? Just askin'
Posted on 6/27/12 at 11:50 am to LSU_Lou
Absolutely. But it's basic.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:00 pm to faxis
quote:So is a thumb safety.
Absolutely. But it's basic.
Additional barriers to prevent discharge is a good think in some situations. It's a bad thing in others.
Like I said ealier, there are instances where both having a safety and having no safety are valid.
Safety overkill: A gun w/ a safety and no round in the chamber.
The best of both worlds?
A gun w/ a safety, with a round in the chamber, and the safety set to fire?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:08 pm to Mahootney
quote:
Safety overkill: A gun w/ a safety and no round in the chamber
Call me overkill then.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:54 pm to TulaneUVA
There is no overkill in gun safety. There's being safe, or somebody gets killed.
Were the OMG MUST HAVE SAFTY OR IT SPLODES people under the impression we would walk around with them off on our guns with safeties?
Not having one in the chamber till you need one there is basic gun safety behind Always treat it as if it's loaded. When I deer hunt, I don't have one in the chamber till I'm hunting. When I duck hunt, I don't travel with my shotgun loaded, I load it once we're hunting. This isn't brain surgery. It's shite that your average ten year old just out of a hunter safety course can tell you.
There's no such thing as 'too safe' when the consequences are as devastating as gunshot wounds. But there most definitely is such thing as becoming complacent because you depend too much on the mechanical safety to do your job for you.
Were the OMG MUST HAVE SAFTY OR IT SPLODES people under the impression we would walk around with them off on our guns with safeties?
Not having one in the chamber till you need one there is basic gun safety behind Always treat it as if it's loaded. When I deer hunt, I don't have one in the chamber till I'm hunting. When I duck hunt, I don't travel with my shotgun loaded, I load it once we're hunting. This isn't brain surgery. It's shite that your average ten year old just out of a hunter safety course can tell you.
There's no such thing as 'too safe' when the consequences are as devastating as gunshot wounds. But there most definitely is such thing as becoming complacent because you depend too much on the mechanical safety to do your job for you.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:01 pm to TulaneUVA
tigerfoot,
Thanks for your concern.
I don't believe in the boogeyman. OTOH, there are some "bad guys" and very evil people out there. I carry for protection of me and my family from these people, not the boogeyman.
Yeah, there are way too many gun deaths every year. Many occur w/ guns that were thought to be "unloaded." I'll bet the vast majority of these guns also had safeties. Gun handling deaths occur not becuase the gun did or din't have a safety, but because of one breaking the rules of safe gun handlilng. Consequently, even having safety won't prevent some gun mishaps. I'm not sure what "quick draw holster" you're referring too as that hasn't even entered into anyone's discussion.
quote:
Surprised you lived
Thanks for your concern.
quote:
Yes, the boogeyman is the reason most carry. I just haven't seen or heard of many dead boogeyman.
I don't believe in the boogeyman. OTOH, there are some "bad guys" and very evil people out there. I carry for protection of me and my family from these people, not the boogeyman.
quote:
I have heard of a bunch of gun accidents resulting in deaths though. So an added external safety to prevent trigger pull for whatever reason is probably a better way to reduce my risk of death by gun than a quick draw holster.
Yeah, there are way too many gun deaths every year. Many occur w/ guns that were thought to be "unloaded." I'll bet the vast majority of these guns also had safeties. Gun handling deaths occur not becuase the gun did or din't have a safety, but because of one breaking the rules of safe gun handlilng. Consequently, even having safety won't prevent some gun mishaps. I'm not sure what "quick draw holster" you're referring too as that hasn't even entered into anyone's discussion.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:05 pm to faxis
quote:Why wouldn't you? They are a crutch, and they WILL fail. I have learned here that safeties are worthless. Gun safety and buger picker control are all anyone needs.
Were the OMG MUST HAVE SAFTY OR IT SPLODES people under the impression we would walk around with them off on our guns with safeties?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:07 pm to AlxTgr
See now you're just being a bit too obvious with the troll attempts. You've already been outed as not even owning a pistol so not sure how long you think you can keep coming back and people take you seriously.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:14 pm to faxis
quote:Sorry, but this is an honest discussion. If you choose to dismiss it as trolling, I guess that's your decision.
See now you're just being a bit too obvious with the troll attempts
quote:I've not been outed. I have stated such at least 5 times here. I have stated it without being asked. Here, you're just being an arse which is a shame since you are normally a quality poster.
You've already been outed as not even owning a pistol
quote:They will if they are smart. If they don't, I don't give one flying frick.
people take you seriously.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:21 pm to AlxTgr
Holy shite how is this still going on.
Give it up man it is getting old. We get it you think a safety is necessary, quit trolling every post that doesn't agree with you. You aren't that smart so get off your high horse, no one gives a shite what you have seen.
Just because someone doesn't agree with you should not change your opinion of them.
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AlxTgr
Give it up man it is getting old. We get it you think a safety is necessary, quit trolling every post that doesn't agree with you. You aren't that smart so get off your high horse, no one gives a shite what you have seen.
quote:
since you are normally a quality poster.
Just because someone doesn't agree with you should not change your opinion of them.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:25 pm to fisherbm1112
quote:It's about time.
Give it up man it is getting old. We get it you think a safety is necessary
quote:Sorry, but I really am. Well, compared to many here anyway which may be somewhat sad.
You aren't that smart so get off your high horse
quote:You jump to conclusion that you really should not. If you don't understand what I said, then that explains a lot of your responses here.
Just because someone doesn't agree with you should not change your opinion of them.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:43 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:
More often than not. I live and work in a very safe area and judge that condition appropriate given the speed at which I can chamber a round and get on target.
That seems pretty counterintuitive to me, but to each his own.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:49 pm to faxis
quote:
When I deer hunt, I don't have one in the chamber till I'm hunting. When I duck hunt, I don't travel with my shotgun loaded, I load it once we're hunting
These situations are different than carrying for self defense. I haven't seen any cases of deer or ducks robbing, stabbing, shooting, etc. a hunter.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:53 pm to BamaFan89
The none in the chamber thread was long and hot. Mostly because of some saying if there's nothing in the chamber, it's like not having a gun at all.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:04 pm to BamaFan89
quote:
These situations are different than carrying for self defense. I haven't seen any cases of deer or ducks robbing, stabbing, shooting, etc. a hunter.
Sorry. Your opinions do not count.
You actually own and carry self-defense handguns, so you are summarily disqualified.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:11 pm to dawg23
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:27 pm to faxis
quote:
Because it's safer not to have one in the chamber.
Why? If one is so vigilant why would anyone need another process to make it safer? ie safety, or unloaded.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:46 pm to AlxTgr
To be fair, I'm a dirty troll too and mostly just seeing how far I could spin you up. But I meant every word about gun safety.
You are the safety. Anything beyond safe gun handling, treating it like it's loaded no matter what, is a crutch that will ultimately fail. You might get lucky and you not be the one it happens to, but you might not be either.
I'd rather be sure and not leave it to something outside my control.
I've seen a safety fail before. My uncle had an old savage that was dangerous as hell, safety or not. If you put rounds in it and closed it, it could, would, and did fire a few times. I've seen people have accidental discharges because they thought they'd emptied the gun. I've never seen someone that's being safe ever have an accidental discharge, OTHER THAN THE ONE'S THAT DEPENDED ON THE SAFETY TO MAKE IT SAFE. Luckily they had the shotgun pointed in a safe direction when that happened. Almost shite myself that day but my buddy was the safety so in spite of the fact that the safety failed, he didn't. No injuries.
That's what I'm talking about.
YOU are the safety.
Everything else is a crutch.
You are the safety. Anything beyond safe gun handling, treating it like it's loaded no matter what, is a crutch that will ultimately fail. You might get lucky and you not be the one it happens to, but you might not be either.
I'd rather be sure and not leave it to something outside my control.
I've seen a safety fail before. My uncle had an old savage that was dangerous as hell, safety or not. If you put rounds in it and closed it, it could, would, and did fire a few times. I've seen people have accidental discharges because they thought they'd emptied the gun. I've never seen someone that's being safe ever have an accidental discharge, OTHER THAN THE ONE'S THAT DEPENDED ON THE SAFETY TO MAKE IT SAFE. Luckily they had the shotgun pointed in a safe direction when that happened. Almost shite myself that day but my buddy was the safety so in spite of the fact that the safety failed, he didn't. No injuries.
That's what I'm talking about.
YOU are the safety.
Everything else is a crutch.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:54 pm to faxis
cool
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