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Realistic Cap Space Discussion (Need help with Numbers)
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:38 pm
Alright, so I'm no NBA cap genius, and still trying to sort my way through it all. Obviously the trade was made to free up cap space both for the present and even more so for the future. Due to this, most are already starting with the DWILL!!!!! talk, which is probably more like a 10%. Anyhow, I used HoopsHype to get the numbers and here's what I have in the sheet:
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That commits us to 8 players on the roster currently, with an estimate of 13 mil going to Gordon (assuming we are buying out Lewis). Also assuming Davis costs about 4.5.
That gives us about 13,000,000 in space for this season? I'm estimating the cap at 60,000,000. With Luxury Tax push that up to 70-71?
Am I way off in these estimates?
Once I can get these numbers as close to reality as possible, I want to start looking at possible FA additions, and I'll need some help interpreting their values (obviously I understand they are as valuable as anyone wants to pay them, but what we can expect for guys like Hibbert, Batum, etc.).
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That commits us to 8 players on the roster currently, with an estimate of 13 mil going to Gordon (assuming we are buying out Lewis). Also assuming Davis costs about 4.5.
That gives us about 13,000,000 in space for this season? I'm estimating the cap at 60,000,000. With Luxury Tax push that up to 70-71?
Am I way off in these estimates?
Once I can get these numbers as close to reality as possible, I want to start looking at possible FA additions, and I'll need some help interpreting their values (obviously I understand they are as valuable as anyone wants to pay them, but what we can expect for guys like Hibbert, Batum, etc.).
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Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:15 am to OBUDan
The cap will probably be closer to 58M and the tax threshold closer to 68M. We can only offer any player the actual space available under the cap. You can then only pay MLE or peanuts to fill up the roster.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:18 am to OBUDan
Right about at $40m with Rashart on the team, Gordon's cap hold at $5m, and including Ayon (which Hoopshype still has as an option and not included in the final cap, even though they picked it up).
-Save $10m on buying our Rashart ($30m)
-Add $8m to Gordon's salary after extension, could be more, could be less ($38m)
-Add draft picks,$4.5m for Davis, $1.5m for 10th ($44m)
The salary cap I don't think is set yet, but the NBA had a pretty good season this year (Finals ratings especially), so $60m is reasonable, maybe a little lower. So I figure right around $16m, or a little less than the DWill max contract.
-Save $10m on buying our Rashart ($30m)
-Add $8m to Gordon's salary after extension, could be more, could be less ($38m)
-Add draft picks,$4.5m for Davis, $1.5m for 10th ($44m)
The salary cap I don't think is set yet, but the NBA had a pretty good season this year (Finals ratings especially), so $60m is reasonable, maybe a little lower. So I figure right around $16m, or a little less than the DWill max contract.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:18 am to Jester
quote:
We can only offer any player the actual space available under the cap.
For FAs, right?
Due to Bird Rights, Gordon's contract, for instance, can go over cap?
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:19 am to OBUDan
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Due to Bird Rights, Gordon's contract, for instance, can go over cap?
We can go over the cap to keep players, but not to sign FAs (without using exceptions).
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:22 am to OBUDan
What Jester said on the numbers.
As for signings this year, I wouldn't expect much. They just freed a hell of a lot of space to start over with EG/Davis. Doesn't make much sense to blow it all before they even know what they have.
Besides next year they can get CP3 and D12.
:basketballreasons:
As for signings this year, I wouldn't expect much. They just freed a hell of a lot of space to start over with EG/Davis. Doesn't make much sense to blow it all before they even know what they have.
Besides next year they can get CP3 and D12.
:basketballreasons:
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:28 am to corndeaux
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As for signings this year, I wouldn't expect much.
Kinda what I'm thinking, too.
I figure 10 is a lock to be a 5 now considering we don't have a single one on the roster.
I was more or less just trying to run through some numbers and see if any of these mid to upper guys were even conceivable for the Hornets.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:34 am to OBUDan
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I figure 10 is a lock to be a 5 now considering we don't have a single one on the roster.
BPA
Ian Mahinmi in FA.
This post was edited on 6/21/12 at 12:35 am
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:36 am to MrWiseGuy
Well we will have to sign a FA too like Asik, Mahinmi, etc.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:46 am to OBUDan
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I figure 10 is a lock to be a 5 now
Matt Moore at CBSSports put a new mock up this afternoon that has Drummond falling to the Hornets.
Still need more offense from backcourt and SF, but Davis/Drummond frontcourt?
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:48 am to OBUDan
Rumors suggest that the Warriors are strongly considering Zeller at 7 if none of the premier wing players are available.
I still think they go Waiters but they may not want to go down that path again with two combo guards in the backcourt.
If Warriors do take Zeller at 7 and Detroit does take Henson, then that leaves Leonard...
I still think they go Waiters but they may not want to go down that path again with two combo guards in the backcourt.
If Warriors do take Zeller at 7 and Detroit does take Henson, then that leaves Leonard...
This post was edited on 6/21/12 at 12:50 am
Posted on 6/21/12 at 12:51 am to corndeaux
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Matt Moore at CBSSports put a new mock up this afternoon that has Drummond falling to the Hornets. Still need more offense from backcourt and SF, but Davis/Drummond frontcourt?
Interesting. All I've read is that Drummond won't get past the Blazers at 6.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 1:09 am to MrWiseGuy
Leonard/Zeller were the two I was envisioning.
I think if Drummond falls it's a no brainer, even with his issues.
I think if Drummond falls it's a no brainer, even with his issues.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 1:09 am to MrWiseGuy
After the consensus top 5:
He's got Lillard- plausible- at 6, T. Jones- wild but it is the Warriors so not really that wild- at 7, Rivers- makes sense- to the Raptors-, and Henson-plausible- to Detroit.
He's got Lillard- plausible- at 6, T. Jones- wild but it is the Warriors so not really that wild- at 7, Rivers- makes sense- to the Raptors-, and Henson-plausible- to Detroit.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 1:47 am to corndeaux
So how are we going to be able to sign not 1 but 2 big name FA's next year, if we can't/or just barely can afford the 1 max deal of a single big name FA?
How much gets freed up a year from now, and where is that coming from? TIA, i'm def not NBA financials savvy
How much gets freed up a year from now, and where is that coming from? TIA, i'm def not NBA financials savvy
Posted on 6/21/12 at 1:55 am to ATLienTiger
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So how are we going to be able to sign not 1 but 2 big name FA's next year, if we can't/or just barely can afford the 1 max deal of a single big name FA?
Lewis's $13m buyout counts against this year's cap, but completely off the books next year. Jack also expires (counts $5.5m towards this year). There are also some bench players with team options that we can not pick up next season if we so choose. If we wanted to, we could extend Gordon and have only he, Smith, Davis, and #10 and 43 on the roster next season.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 2:30 am to THRILLHO
Thanks
So generally what does it cost to grab the big name Howard/DWill/CP3's of the league?
So generally what does it cost to grab the big name Howard/DWill/CP3's of the league?
Posted on 6/21/12 at 2:42 am to OBUDan
The cap will be at least $58m. The tax line at least $70m. This is by fiat on the CBA for this season. Next season, stuff getsthe real without the enforced mins.
These will be set based on financials released this summer.
The above and the repeater penalty kicking in along with other restrictions for tax teams is why next offseason is so important to be flexible for.
ETA: Rookies usually make 120% of what you listed. Nearly always. You also need to factor in cap holds. Also, once you use cap space directly, you can't use exceptions until later. So be careful with your move planning.
These will be set based on financials released this summer.
The above and the repeater penalty kicking in along with other restrictions for tax teams is why next offseason is so important to be flexible for.
ETA: Rookies usually make 120% of what you listed. Nearly always. You also need to factor in cap holds. Also, once you use cap space directly, you can't use exceptions until later. So be careful with your move planning.
This post was edited on 6/21/12 at 2:47 am
Posted on 6/21/12 at 3:14 am to patendedgmf
Also, I don't think Dwight hits free agency. I think he will find a team that Orlando can trade him to, or he will resign with Orlando. Why? because if he hits free agency he can only get a 4 year contract, with 4.5 % raises. If he stays in Orlando or gets traded, he can get a 5 year deal with 7.5% raises... Effectively guaranteeing him almost $30 million more dollars. Deep down, I think that is all he cares about.
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