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Obama Asserts Executive Privilege on F & F Documents (title edited)


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REPORT: HOLDER ASKS OBAMA FOR EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE ON F&F DOCS



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jamboybarry
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and Obama signed it


like rats on a sinking ship



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I hope Issa calls out Holder and Obama as lying cowards who are covering up a murder.





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I'd still hold Holder in contempt, and make Obama fight the EP claim in court.





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If Congress is really willing to go far with their Fast & Furious investigation, then they can fight this EP claim in court.




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I'd still hold Holder in contempt, and make Obama fight the EP claim in court.


Oh, they will...


The is an admission of guilt and Obama is in cahoots to protect his racist piece of shite AG






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I think it's now safe to say this is officially a cover-up.






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Like they haven't already burned and/or shredded whatever documents there were that would be incriminating.





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This is an admission of guilt and Obama is in cahoots to protect his racist piece of shite AG






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n/m


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I think it's now safe to say this is officially a cover-up.


Sure looking that way. Either that, or it's an improper exercise of executive privilege.

Considering Holder and the DOJ have been adamant that the White House did not know of this operation, a valid exercise of executive privilege essentially shows that is a lie.

Either the White House knew all along (which means DOJ and Holder have lied about its involvement from the get-go) or the White House is improperly invoking this privilege.






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I have posted this before... LINK

Fast and Furious: Why Eric Holder Will Lose the Legal Fight

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Here’s the process for how the fight will unfold, if Issa continues to move forward:

Issa’s committee will vote to hold Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. Then the contempt citation goes to the House floor for a vote, because only the full House or Senate can hold someone in contempt. It then goes to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia to launch a criminal prosecution in federal court.

The problem, of course, is that federal prosecutors are part of DOJ. So all 93 U.S. attorneys work for--that’s right--Attorney General Holder. It’s a foregone conclusion that Ronald Machen--the U.S. attorney for D.C.--is not going to try to send his boss to prison. This is especially true given that Machen is a rising star among Democrats in the legal community with a perfect résumé, making him competitive for a top position at DOJ or perhaps a federal judgeship.

So then the House must bring a lawsuit of its own. The Supreme Court held in the 1997 case Raines v. Byrd that only the full House can initiate such a suit. So there would be another House vote, this time authorizing Issa to file a civil suit in D.C.’s federal district court on behalf of the House, seeking a court order to compel Holder to provide all the testimony and documents Issa has subpoenaed.


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The only defense Holder can assert is to say that these documents are protected by executive privilege. That’s the doctrine that the president and his subordinates are independent of Congress, and that certain information can be kept secret to enable each president and his administration to do their jobs effectively. Though often asserted when information is sought regarding the president’s confidential conversations or for decisions involving military decisions or foreign diplomacy, executive privilege can be attempted whenever someone in an administration does not want to comply with a congressional subpoena.


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But Holder will lose that legal fight if Issa and House Republicans persist in pursuing this investigation, as they should. This is in part because there are two types of executive privilege, as I explain in an academic publication. The first is the presidential communications privilege, which shields conversations a president has with his advisors. It’s rooted in the Constitution’s separation of powers, and allows every president to receive candid advice on how to discharge his duties.

That privilege only extends to communications directly involving the president, however, so instead Holder can only assert the second type of executive privilege, called the deliberative process privilege. It’s a common-law doctrine that is not found in the Constitution, and as such is a much weaker defense. Two centuries of legal precedent strongly suggest that if Holder tries claiming that this weaker form of executive privilege empowers him to refuse to answer Congress, the courts will smack Holder down--hard.

No doubt Holder would appeal his loss to the D.C. Circuit appeals court, where he should lose again. If Obama is reelected but Republicans keep the House, then this fight could eventually even reach the Supreme Court.

Sooner or later, the truth will come out. And then all Americans--including the four million members of the NRA--will learn the full truth of this modern version of Iran-Contra, a scandal that could bring down Obama’s attorney general, and possibly even his presidency.







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Does this mean Obama formally approved of the gun running program where the same guns were used to kill a US border agent?


Not necessarily just that he is trying to protect Holder. I think Obama did approve of F&F because of his comments like "we are working on gun control under the radar" but so far there is no proof that he did.






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This all sounds very familiar.





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I can't believe Obama would actually approve it, that's a blatant sign of a cover up. What kind of dirt does Holder have for Obama to stick his neck out like this?





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Judge Napolatano has said that the president cannot exert executive privilege on these documents unless:

They are direct communications between the WH and someone
They are military documents
They have national security implications








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Sure looking that way. Either that, or it's an improper exercise of executive privilege.

According to Judge Andrew Napolitano, it's improper, as executive privilege only covers presidential communication.






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jackamo3300
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He has just granted it.





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They have national security implications


Pssh, that's a wide net. They can twist anything to qualify for national security.






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wickowick
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re: Obama Asserts Executive Privilege on F & F Documents (title edited)


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I can't believe Obama would actually approve it, that's a blatant sign of a cover up. What kind of dirt does Holder have for Obama to stick his neck out like this?


or as previously suggested before but without definite proof, that this operation started at the top as a way to increase gun control...






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