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LSU's surest bet to score inside the opponents 20 yard line
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:32 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:32 am
Was there anyone better at scoring on the ground inside the 20 than LeBrandon Toefield? In 2001, Toefield had 19 TDs despite missing significant playing time due to injury. He was the fastest LSU player to 9 TDs needing only five games to eclipse that mark. The guy had great power and punched the ball in almost every time.
Others that are due great consideration are Stevan Ridley for his 2010 campaign with a memorable TD to beat UT after we lost to them. Charles Scott and Hester also get some consideration, but I believe Toe's consistency and production put him above. Reaching further back, I would need some perspective on guys like Charles Alexander and Hilliard who have great résumés but the particulars of their game aren't well known to me.
Others that are due great consideration are Stevan Ridley for his 2010 campaign with a memorable TD to beat UT after we lost to them. Charles Scott and Hester also get some consideration, but I believe Toe's consistency and production put him above. Reaching further back, I would need some perspective on guys like Charles Alexander and Hilliard who have great résumés but the particulars of their game aren't well known to me.
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Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:34 am to therick711
Pound Hilliard or play action to OBJ IMO FWIW
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:38 am to therick711
I really think Hilliard has the ability to surpass all those guys. He's deceptively quick and just an absolute bruiser. I'd like to see us bring back the fullback give/fake toss to the tailback play, with Hilliard at fullback.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:38 am to The Mick
You and the op are clearly talking about two different things. I think he's talking all-time.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:40 am to Rooco
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I really think Hilliard has the ability to surpass all those guys. He's deceptively quick and just an absolute bruiser. I'd like to see us bring back the fullback give/fake toss to the tailback play, with Hilliard at fullback.
Definitely. He got to 8 TDs in just half of a season's work last year, not to mention splitting carries with 4 other backs.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:41 am to Rooco
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I really think Hilliard has the ability to surpass all those guys. He's deceptively quick and just an absolute bruiser. I'd like to see us bring back the fullback give/fake toss to the tailback play, with Hilliard at fullback.
I think Hilliard is good, but Toefield tied the SEC record for TDs at the time (before Tebow desecrated it by having the distinction go to a quarterback). I'm not sure if anyone in the current backfield is going to remotely approach those numbers based solely on the number of talented backs we have. I'm also not sure anyone on our current team had the blend that Toefield had that made him a sure bet from inside the 20.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:44 am to therick711
speaking of which. does anyone know our red zone TD percentage last year? I have a feeling that it will be higher this year
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:46 am to therick711
Michael Ford screen pass
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:52 am to therick711
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Was there anyone better at scoring on the ground inside the 20 than LeBrandon Toefield?
wasn't Faulk pretty good in that area? I know Herb was a threat down there both running and passing (play action to Booty ftw).
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:56 am to ATLTiger
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wasn't Faulk pretty good in that area?
My immediate and unsupported recollection was that he was pretty good but it wasn't his best trait. I often recall him as more of a homerun threat, which was why he was so exciting to watch.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:57 am to therick711
This has more to do with the offensive line than a particular running back. Just look at 1996 and 1997, where LSU had 33 and 34 rushing touchdowns respectively. Compare that to 1998 where LSU had 23 rushing touchdowns. The running backs were primarily Faulk and Mealey for all 3 years(Diesel had 3 tds in 1997, so keep that weak shite out of here).
What was the difference? Alan Faneca.
ETA: if you have two exceptional offesive linemen playing side-by side, my fat arse could get a few yards running behing them.
What was the difference? Alan Faneca.
ETA: if you have two exceptional offesive linemen playing side-by side, my fat arse could get a few yards running behing them.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 9:00 am to BhamTigah
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This has more to do with the offensive line than a particular running back. Just look at 1996 and 1997, where LSU had 33 and 34 rushing touchdowns respectively. Compare that to 1998 where LSU had 23 rushing touchdowns. The running backs were primarily Faulk and Mealey for all 3 years(Diesel had 3 tds in 1997, so keep that weak shite out of here).
What was the difference? Alan Faneca.
My question is more along these lines. Everything else being constant (offensive line, defense you are playing against, wind, soil conditions, coaching, scheme, etc.) if you had one try from the one to score on and your life was on the line, whose number do you call?
I picked the 20 in the title because in the red area, some backs just get in the endzone. I am curious who everyone thinks is the best at just getting the ball in the endzone in that area of the field. I'm thinking 22 may be the best.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 9:02 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 9:01 am to ShakeyTurtle
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speaking of which. does anyone know our red zone TD percentage last year?
72.13 according to cfbstats.com
which is actually higher than the 07 squad
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I have a feeling that it will be higher this year
maybe, but we were pretty good last yr.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 9:26 am to therick711
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My question is more along these lines. Everything else being constant (offensive line, defense you are playing against, wind, soil conditions, coaching, scheme, etc.) if you had one try from the one to score on and your life was on the line, whose number do you call?
I picked the 20 in the title because in the red area, some backs just get in the endzone. I am curious who everyone thinks is the best at just getting the ball in the endzone in that area of the field. I'm thinking 22 may be the best.
In that case, all things being equal except the running back, and guaranteeing good health and non-incarceration, give me Cecil the Diesel.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 9:28 am to BhamTigah
quote:I know. Premature postage.
You and the op are clearly talking about two different things. I think he's talking all-time.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:05 am to therick711
Jump ball to Armand Williams in the back of the end zone. Kid has all-world ups and good height/wingspan to go with it. Ain't nobody getting as high as his hands can get.
I am only half kidding for the record.
I am only half kidding for the record.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:37 am to therick711
"I picked the 20 in the title because in the red area, some backs just get in the endzone. I am curious who everyone thinks is the best at just getting the ball in the endzone in that area of the field. I'm thinking 22 may be the best."
I really don't think it matters, you're going to score more inside the 20 because you are closer to the endzone. A RB's job is the same whether he is on his own 20 or the opponent's 20 and everything in between. Being on the 1 yard line is a different situation however.
I really don't think it matters, you're going to score more inside the 20 because you are closer to the endzone. A RB's job is the same whether he is on his own 20 or the opponent's 20 and everything in between. Being on the 1 yard line is a different situation however.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:57 am to Hurricane Mike
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I really don't think it matters, you're going to score more inside the 20 because you are closer to the endzone. A RB's job is the same whether he is on his own 20 or the opponent's 20 and everything in between. Being on the 1 yard line is a different situation however.
Fred Taylor (Stacey Mack/Greg Jones), Tiki Barber (Ron Dayne/Brandon Jacobs), Willie Parker (Jerome Bettis), Thomas Jones (Shonn Greene), Ray Rice, (Willis McGahee), Reggie Bush (LenWhale White) disagree with you. Everything isn't the same, you don't do the same thing everywhere on the field, and players in the redzone need a different skill set. Some of those players were your traditional goal line backs. Some of them were used much more liberally in the redzone. The point being that their are different schools of thought.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 10:58 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:30 am to therick711
My vote goes to Jacob Hester......
As a senior in 2007, the Tigers selected him to be a team captain. He was the starting tailback for the Tigers. He rushed 225 times for 1,103 yards and 12 touchdowns. He added a touchdown catch, and totalled 14 receptions for 106 yards. In LSU's 14 games during the 2007 season, Hester led the Tigers in rushing 10 times. His first 100 yard game came against Florida. Hester gained 106 yards and scored the game-winning touchdown. He was recognized as SEC Offensive Player of the Week and the Sporting News National Player of the Week following the game. Hester's longest run of the season came on an 87-yard touchdown against Louisiana Tech. In LSU's loss to Arkansas, Hester had the most rushing yards of his college career—126 on 28 attempts. In the final game of his college career in the national championship game against Ohio State he rushed 21 times for 86 yards and a touchdown. He did all of this while being a part of a five-man rotation with Keiland Williams, Trindon Holliday, Charles Scott, and Richard Murphy.
As a senior in 2007, the Tigers selected him to be a team captain. He was the starting tailback for the Tigers. He rushed 225 times for 1,103 yards and 12 touchdowns. He added a touchdown catch, and totalled 14 receptions for 106 yards. In LSU's 14 games during the 2007 season, Hester led the Tigers in rushing 10 times. His first 100 yard game came against Florida. Hester gained 106 yards and scored the game-winning touchdown. He was recognized as SEC Offensive Player of the Week and the Sporting News National Player of the Week following the game. Hester's longest run of the season came on an 87-yard touchdown against Louisiana Tech. In LSU's loss to Arkansas, Hester had the most rushing yards of his college career—126 on 28 attempts. In the final game of his college career in the national championship game against Ohio State he rushed 21 times for 86 yards and a touchdown. He did all of this while being a part of a five-man rotation with Keiland Williams, Trindon Holliday, Charles Scott, and Richard Murphy.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:42 am to Bobby Moore
i noticed this about the Toe, but I say inside the 10 or even the 5 - you couldn't stop the guy. I'd start hollering at the tv screen, "Kick 'em with the Big Toe!"
some guys just have that ability when you get down there that you can't bring them down.
Toe is definitely up at the top for LSU in that category.
some guys just have that ability when you get down there that you can't bring them down.
Toe is definitely up at the top for LSU in that category.
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