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HS Baseball players skipping LSU for MLB
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:54 pm
I just wanted to point this out.
Notice that almost every player that commits to LSU but goes pro instead, gets a shite ton of money. I find it hard to blame these kids but it seems that other players sign for much less being drafted higher or near the same slot.
It might have something to do with having to really sell the idea that they shouldn't go to LSU.
Thoughts?
Oh, and my examples stretch back to Zach Lee, Rosenberg, Colvin, Cecchini, etc...
Notice that almost every player that commits to LSU but goes pro instead, gets a shite ton of money. I find it hard to blame these kids but it seems that other players sign for much less being drafted higher or near the same slot.
It might have something to do with having to really sell the idea that they shouldn't go to LSU.
Thoughts?
Oh, and my examples stretch back to Zach Lee, Rosenberg, Colvin, Cecchini, etc...
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Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:56 pm to tadelatt
Fire javi
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:57 pm to sunnydaze
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Fire javi
Dang, that was quick!
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:59 pm to tadelatt
It really just comes down to LSU gets commits from some of the most talented kids out there. When the money comes calling, they naturally take it. Realistically, we need to start paying more attention to the kids who are likely to make that jump, pass on them and get the kid who is not quite as talented but will actually be on the opening day roster.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:01 pm to jonanthans
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we need to start paying more attention to the kids who are likely to make that jump, pass on them and get the kid who is not quite as talented but will actually be on the opening day roster.
Why?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:02 pm to tadelatt
Your examples stretch really far back
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:04 pm to jonanthans
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get the kid who is not quite as talented but will actually be on the opening day roster.
I think this is true. Why go after 1st round talent when they view us as a emergency back up?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:04 pm to tadelatt
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Zach Lee
5.25 million. Not really anyway to argue against that
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:04 pm to lighter345
I would say MLB should just add a rule but the large amount of Latino players makes it hard to enforce
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:05 pm to jonanthans
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Realistically, we need to start paying more attention to the kids who are likely to make that jump, pass on them and get the kid who is not quite as talented but will actually be on the opening day roster.
looks like we did that this year
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:06 pm to tigerman03
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I think this is true. Why go after 1st round talent when they view us as a emergency back up?
I think the thread is about to jump off the deep end but this has been argued before
You can't predict where a kid is going to be drafted so how are you suppose to not draft top tier guys especially if they want to come here. Do we start turning these guys down? What does that say about LSU? We don't need first round talent to commit to us, regardless of where they end up signing.
I was just saying that it appears LSU commits are being offered more money than others
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:07 pm to tadelatt
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Why?
The simple answer is so that they'll actually step foot on LSU's campus for at least a season or two.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:07 pm to tadelatt
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Why?
I think he's saying to not focus so much on kids that will more than likely be drafted high right out of HS and sign a contract. Focus more on the higher-tier kids are not as talented, thus will play college ball
Bertman was a master at finding those kids btw, and developing them into very good MLB prospects after a few years
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:08 pm to tigerman03
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I think this is true. Why go after 1st round talent when they view us as a emergency back up?
Because sometimes you get lucky and they come to school. You take their commitment 12-18 months before the draft and a lot can happen during that time. Sometimes they have an injury or their stock drops a little. You don't depend on them being here and still fill out the rest of the class, but you have to take the chance. If not you don't get players like Gausman.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:09 pm to tadelatt
Joey Gallo - signed for 2.25 million which is about 600,000 more than the guy Texas drafted above him in the first round. He was signed for almost 1 million more than his slot. (1.34MM)
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It seems like a yearly thing for Tiger signees now
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It seems like a yearly thing for Tiger signees now
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:10 pm to MOT
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Because sometimes you get lucky and they come to school. You take their commitment 12-18 months before the draft and a lot can happen during that time. Sometimes they have an injury or their stock drops a little. You don't depend on them being here and still fill out the rest of the class, but you have to take the chance. If not you don't get players like Gausman.
This guy gets it! Thanks MOT
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:14 pm to tadelatt
Lee, Rosenberg, and Cecchini deserved all that they got....Lee and Rosenberg are on track I think with where their clubs wants them to be and Cecchini is one of the Sox top 10-15 prospects. I don't think any club is regretting what they paid them.
Colvin's club would probably like to see him progressing a little faster....but 900K at that time wasn't a whole lot and I think a lot of people thought he was coming to LSU.
Also......this problem is not exclusive to LSU....look at Ole Miss this year.....I mean they never expected Trahan or young Cecchini to make it but thats 2 loses in a single year similar to the ones you outlined for LSU.
Colvin's club would probably like to see him progressing a little faster....but 900K at that time wasn't a whole lot and I think a lot of people thought he was coming to LSU.
Also......this problem is not exclusive to LSU....look at Ole Miss this year.....I mean they never expected Trahan or young Cecchini to make it but thats 2 loses in a single year similar to the ones you outlined for LSU.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:20 pm to LSU316
as far as pitchers are concerned if you have a 17 yr old kid throwing 90+ they have a lot of potential upside and MLB scouts know more than us. then the $$ thing comes in to play and it's a no brainer for this kids future, family, etc.
it's a fine line, because I understand the OP and we cant just not recruit the Gausman types and miss terribly on a situation that could payoff big time for LSU. PM job is to land talent, not worry about what a 17 yr old decides to do whats best for him and his arm/talent.
it's a fine line, because I understand the OP and we cant just not recruit the Gausman types and miss terribly on a situation that could payoff big time for LSU. PM job is to land talent, not worry about what a 17 yr old decides to do whats best for him and his arm/talent.
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:24 pm to rattlebucket
You're right.....I think it is harder with pitchers than position players....but most position players that are no doubt going to going to sign in the draft just put in committments to have a fallback plan for unforeseen circumstances. I'd put Jose Valentin's kid in that group......I'd assume Javi and Maineri didn't put much into him cause him going if drafted seemed like a given for a good while.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:29 pm to tadelatt
I largely agree with the idea that if you know you have little chance of getting someone you have to have some safe picks to make up for it.
The big problem in college baseball that isn't an issue for either football and now basketball is that coaches can potentially lose a player to professional ball before they even step foot on campus.
If MLB and the NCAA would do a better job of coordinating the draft and the close of recruiting season, college baseball coaches could better address loses of recruits to the draft by making late recruiting pitches.
This is a whole different problem than getting out recruited by another college or a guy leaving early, which every sport has to deal with.
Unless the MLB institutes a NFL style restriction, NCAA has to adapt to help college baseball teams adjust to the effects of the MLB draft on college baseball recruiting. There doesn't appear to be any legitimate reason why college baseball recruiting couldn't be shifted to end a week or two after the MLB draft.
College teams also have to work to end kids using them as leverage for bigger signing bonuses, because the colleges rarely ever win out in those situations (History seems to suggest that the odds are heavily against the college actually ending up with the player, because kids and their families almost never pass on the sure money).
The big problem in college baseball that isn't an issue for either football and now basketball is that coaches can potentially lose a player to professional ball before they even step foot on campus.
If MLB and the NCAA would do a better job of coordinating the draft and the close of recruiting season, college baseball coaches could better address loses of recruits to the draft by making late recruiting pitches.
This is a whole different problem than getting out recruited by another college or a guy leaving early, which every sport has to deal with.
Unless the MLB institutes a NFL style restriction, NCAA has to adapt to help college baseball teams adjust to the effects of the MLB draft on college baseball recruiting. There doesn't appear to be any legitimate reason why college baseball recruiting couldn't be shifted to end a week or two after the MLB draft.
College teams also have to work to end kids using them as leverage for bigger signing bonuses, because the colleges rarely ever win out in those situations (History seems to suggest that the odds are heavily against the college actually ending up with the player, because kids and their families almost never pass on the sure money).
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