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Coaching hypothetical - youth basketball
Posted on 6/8/12 at 4:44 am
Posted on 6/8/12 at 4:44 am
Team A has the ball. PG dribbles past halfcourt, but refuses to engage Team B's 2-3 defense per coach's instructions that he wait until the defense switches to man. There is no shot clock.
What should coach of Team B do?
For the record, Team B switched to a 1-3-1 trap defense, but what are some other ideas?
What should coach of Team B do?
For the record, Team B switched to a 1-3-1 trap defense, but what are some other ideas?
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 6:31 am to 1336
extend to a 2-3 half court trap, Jim Boeheim uses it so it must be good considering he is pretty much a master of all things 2-3 zone related.
Your 1-2 guards would go out to trap the ball, the 3 and 4 man would extend to the wings and the 5 man stays at home ( or your most athletic because they have to cover a lot of ground if the trap is broken)
Look about halfway down the page
Your 1-2 guards would go out to trap the ball, the 3 and 4 man would extend to the wings and the 5 man stays at home ( or your most athletic because they have to cover a lot of ground if the trap is broken)
Look about halfway down the page
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 6:34 am
Posted on 6/8/12 at 7:08 am to 1336
Basketball should have a shot clock at all levels
Posted on 6/8/12 at 7:23 am to 1336
I'd probably go to a trapping defense. If you want to stay more conservative, just extend one of your defenders in the top of the zone to play the ball. Opposing coach sounds like a douche.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 8:36 am to 1336
If Team B is winning he should just sit back in his zone.
How much time left in the game?
How much time left in the game?
Posted on 6/8/12 at 8:40 am to 1336
quote:
What should coach of Team B do?
Tell the coach of Team A to stop being a dickbag and teach his players how to play the game.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 8:45 am to 1336
in that situation a 2/3 trap defense is better because you want to counter their odd number a single point guard with an even number of defenders.
I would personally take my best player and play a box and 1 with my best player just coming out and putting some pressure on the point guard.
Seriously though If I scored first and it was 2 to 0 I would tell my players to get ready to stand around for the entire quarter.
Lastly at that age, you should just learn a solid press and use it. You will win more games doing that than anything else. Kids can't handle the pressure.
I would personally take my best player and play a box and 1 with my best player just coming out and putting some pressure on the point guard.
Seriously though If I scored first and it was 2 to 0 I would tell my players to get ready to stand around for the entire quarter.
Lastly at that age, you should just learn a solid press and use it. You will win more games doing that than anything else. Kids can't handle the pressure.
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/8/12 at 9:07 am to LSUtigersarefun
put in your kid that really sucks, and have him go kick the PG in the nuts.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 9:08 am to 1336
If you want to stay in your 23 than have your top guys trap the ball, your wing guys take away the next pass on either side, and keep your middle guy at home under the basket. If they break the trap revert back down to a normal 23, or trap ft line extended to the baseline if you want to stay aggressive
Posted on 6/8/12 at 9:12 am to LSUtigersarefun
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Lastly at that age, you should just learn a solid press and use it. You will win more games doing that than anything else. Kids can't handle the pressure.
While that is a good idea, there is almost no chance the kids will be able to execute it. This sounds like rec ball and there just is not enough time to install something like a full court press. Now if this is AAU then a full court press is a must. I remember we would play pretty mediocre teams in AAU (we sucked, but these teams were not great relative to say the Georgia Stars or Atlanta Celtics) but they would beat us worse than the tier one teams because they would press the hell out of us and they were REALLY good at it. Also a full court press only works with fast athletic players, you may be able to get by with 1 slow white kid but besides that you need in shape, athletic kids to run a full court press.
ETA: as far as advice, we would run something called a scramble. You set up in a 2-3 and then when the ball handler crosses half court your top two run at the pg. Then the two guys on the block have the pass to the wings. I imagine that would be simple enough to teach.
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 9:15 am
Posted on 6/8/12 at 9:16 am to 1336
Extend the top of the zone up to engage the dribbler or go man to man. We used to do this all this time when I was younger to force teams to play us man or at least get them out of their comfort zone by extending the zone. Worked like a charm
Posted on 6/8/12 at 9:17 am to ProjectP2294
quote:How about Team B coach teach his players how to play man? That statement can go both ways
Tell the coach of Team A to stop being a dickbag and teach his players how to play the game.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 9:21 am to reb13
90% of AAU and Showcase teams. 2-2-1 or diamond press and a point guard that does dribble penetration. No offensive sets whatsoever.
Our team has 3 motion offenses, a zone offense that is weird but works because no one has seen it and 12 different sets. We drive teams nuts defensively. This is 16U Showcase.
Our team has 3 motion offenses, a zone offense that is weird but works because no one has seen it and 12 different sets. We drive teams nuts defensively. This is 16U Showcase.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 9:27 am to 1336
What age are you talking about? I seen no problem with the strategy, it is done at all levels, make them come out and guard the ball. The other coach does not want them to play man, but wants them to at least extend the zone and cover the ball.
It seems that team B playing defense may be just "packing" the lane with all 5 players and not leaving or attempting to really guard anyone. . If these kids are 7-9 what are you supposed to do start jacking up 3s which are not going to go in, and let team B get easy rebounds because they are not really playing any defense, just standing 5 guys in the lane.
They need to make zone defenses illegal for young kids, it does not teach them much. To play a good zone you must first be able to play good man anyway.
It seems that team B playing defense may be just "packing" the lane with all 5 players and not leaving or attempting to really guard anyone. . If these kids are 7-9 what are you supposed to do start jacking up 3s which are not going to go in, and let team B get easy rebounds because they are not really playing any defense, just standing 5 guys in the lane.
They need to make zone defenses illegal for young kids, it does not teach them much. To play a good zone you must first be able to play good man anyway.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 9:53 am to 1336
In this particular scenario, this was how the game started, so all the time was left.
This was a middle school non-AAU game.
Team B frequently uses man defense and uses fullcourt traps. Team B also came to this game with only 5 players, so this affected things.
No one affiliated with Team B seemed to be bothered by Team A's tactic. They just hadn't seen it before.
Out of curiosity, what is it about the extended 2-3 or the 2-2-1 that y'all prefer over the 1-3-1?
Lots of good information in here so far. It's been a good read for me. Thanks!
This was a middle school non-AAU game.
Team B frequently uses man defense and uses fullcourt traps. Team B also came to this game with only 5 players, so this affected things.
No one affiliated with Team B seemed to be bothered by Team A's tactic. They just hadn't seen it before.
Out of curiosity, what is it about the extended 2-3 or the 2-2-1 that y'all prefer over the 1-3-1?
Lots of good information in here so far. It's been a good read for me. Thanks!
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:57 am to 1336
I would say the diamond and 1. Have the one guy putting pressure on the PG as soon as he comes across half court. When he then tries to set up the plays the 1 can fall back into a 1-3-1 zone being at the top of the key.
For kids, the 1-3-1 with trapping seems to work best especially if you have shorter quicker kids. A previous post made mention of the full court press. This works because of the trappings and the double teams. The younger kids def get rattled and make bad passes. This same type of trapping and double teaming IMO can be used in the 1-3-1 most efficiently.
Now, if I was coach of Team B, and I wanted to prove a point, I would wait and trap the PG just absolutely as soon as he crosses the half court with the other 3 playing a loose zone across the FT line extended.
For kids, the 1-3-1 with trapping seems to work best especially if you have shorter quicker kids. A previous post made mention of the full court press. This works because of the trappings and the double teams. The younger kids def get rattled and make bad passes. This same type of trapping and double teaming IMO can be used in the 1-3-1 most efficiently.
Now, if I was coach of Team B, and I wanted to prove a point, I would wait and trap the PG just absolutely as soon as he crosses the half court with the other 3 playing a loose zone across the FT line extended.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 12:13 pm to tigerdup07
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Basketball should have a shot clock at all levels
That's a pretty stupid comment. Many youth basketball facilities struggle to keep operable scoreboards and find people to run them. Most states don't have shot clocks in high school for the added expense and burden of adding shot clocks, along with people to run them.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 12:35 pm to LSUtigersarefun
quote:
Lastly at that age, you should just learn a solid press and use it. You will win more games doing that than anything else. Kids can't handle the pressure.
I coached JCC. They had a league rule against press.
yes, kids that age cant handle it.
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if the team defending is in the lead, I would not change anything.
if the team stalling is in the lead, then I would use a 1-3-1 if my guys knew how.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 12:39 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:This.
Tell the coach of Team A to stop being a dickbag and teach his players how to play the game
In theory, I'd love to just say sit back and do nothing, but these are kids who wanna have some fun out there.
So I'd go the route most are saying and switch to a trapping defense.
But kids or no kids and I'm a pretty calm dude, I'd definitely have some choice words I'd be throwing out at the other coach. Keep it clean though, gotta think of the chirren!!!
Posted on 6/8/12 at 12:41 pm to TigerTatorTots
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How about Team B coach teach his players how to play man? That statement can go both ways
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