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BrerTiger 
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| Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 3:46 pm)
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Obama holds a whopping 70 percent to 20 percent lead over Romney among Hispanic Catholics. But among white Catholics, Romney bests Obama 55-38, Gallup daily tracking polls found.
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Catholics overall were split 46-46 between Obama and Romney.
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"Catholics constitute almost one in four voters in the U.S. today, making their vote an important target of the Obama and the Romney election campaigns," Gallup editor Frank Newport writes in his analysis. "However, although Catholics as a whole are almost precisely average in their vote choices at this point in the campaign, there are major differences by the ethnicity and religiosity of Catholics that underscore the difficulty of typifying and subsequently targeting an 'average' Catholic voter."
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What Politico doesn't tell you is that in 2008, Catholics voted for Obama by about a 54-44 margin, compared to 52-46 for Obama for all voters. In 2004, Bush won the Catholic vote by a 52-47 margin. Gore won the Catholic vote in 2000 by a 50-47 margin. So Obama's share of the Catholic vote in 2008 was larger than Bush's or Gore's.
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Interesting...
ETA: Link to the actual Gallup poll results:
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Catholics' divided preferences at this point contrast with those of the largest religious group in the country, Protestants, whose support swings to Romney by 51% to 41%. The split in Catholics' preferences also differs from the choice among those who identify with another religion or no religion at all, a group that clearly supports Obama, by 58% to 33%.
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As a general rule in today's political world, the more religious the American, the more likely he or she is to be a Republican and vote for Republican candidates. This rule of thumb is evident among white Catholic voters. Among non-Hispanic white Catholics whom Gallup categorizes as "very religious" or "moderately religious," Romney wins over Obama by 30- and 22-point margins, respectively. Among nonreligious Catholics, Obama wins by 54% to 40%.
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BeeFense5 
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 3:50 pm to BrerTiger)
As a dedicated practicing Catholic, I do not support either. I truly hate seeing "Catholics" voting for Obama though.
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BrerTiger
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 3:53 pm to BeeFense5)
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I do not support either.
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I truly hate seeing "Catholics" voting for Obama though.
I'll bite.
This does not compute (for me, anyway).
You say you don't support either. Yet you don't hate to see Catholics vote for Romney while you do hate to see Catholics vote for Obama.
Do you say this strictly based on Obama's views/policies on contraception and abortion?
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Doctor Radical 
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 3:55 pm to BrerTiger)
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Do you say this strictly based on Obama's views/policies on contraception and abortion?
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Drew Orleans
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:06 pm to BrerTiger)
Doesn't compute? Are you dense? He means both suck but one is worse. (in a nut shell)
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BrerTiger
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:10 pm to Drew Orleans)
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Doesn't compute? Are you dense? He means both suck but one is worse. (in a nut shell)
Listen, you flaming jackwagon, I wasn't asking you.
Let him answer the question for himself.
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tigeraddict
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:17 pm to BrerTiger)
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Obama holds a whopping 70 percent to 20 percent lead over Romney among Hispanic Catholics.
This is why the VP selection will be Hispanic.....
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DA
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:20 pm to BrerTiger)
I see where several Catholic leaders have rejected the Ryan plan as counter to the church's teachings.
I'm curious to what catholic tiger thinks of this development.
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Doctor Radical
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:23 pm to DA)
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I'm curious
why financial regulation and wealth redistribution aren't as big of a deal to Catholics as abortion or contraception.
or how a guy whose health care plan that pays for abortion and contraception can be better than the other guys.
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BrerTiger
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:26 pm to tigeraddict)
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This is why the VP selection will be Hispanic.....
Not a lock, but definitely a good argument can be made.
But, if you want to talk strictly demographics where the GOP needs help, you also have to consider the female problem. Per Gallup (most recent data I could find), Obama beats Romney 52-40 for the female vote.
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"The biggest change came among women under 50. In mid-February, just under half of those voters supported Obama. Now more than six in 10 do while Romney's support among them has dropped by 14 points, to 30%."
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This is how we ended up with Sarah Palin in 2008.
2012's Latina version of Sarah Palin???
Honestly, I don't know of another potential Latina VP nomineee in the GOP other than Susana Martinez. But she is a very popular governor...
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BrerTiger
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:28 pm to DA)
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I'm curious to what catholic tiger thinks of this development.
Why don't you just bump the thread you started last week then?
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Instead of trying to completely derail my thread...
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Blue Velvet 
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:30 pm to BrerTiger)
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Susana Martinez
Turrible
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BrerTiger
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:32 pm to Blue Velvet)
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Turrible
Worse than McCain's "Hail Mary", aka Sarah Palin?
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DA
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:36 pm to BrerTiger)
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Instead of trying to completely derail my thread...
It's all related. I'd like to see catholic Tiger chime in on this thread.
Chill, it's all in fun.
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Blue Velvet
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:45 pm to BrerTiger)
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Worse than McCain's "Hail Mary", aka Sarah Palin?
No. She's better than Palin, IMO, but still an awful choice.
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BrerTiger
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:48 pm to Blue Velvet)
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She's better than Palin, IMO, but still an awful choice.
Well, then, she's got my vote! SOLD!
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ottothewise
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:59 pm to BrerTiger)
if you look again at the data in the OP
you get that white people are voting for Romney and Hispanics are voting for Obama.
Then, you just add that they are Catholic.
If Romney uses an Hispanic VP, he wins.
edited to acknowledge that Obama is not doing as well with Catholics this time around as last time.
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tiger1014
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 5:17 pm to ottothewise)
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If Romney uses an Hispanic VP, he wins.
But the thing is, he would need a Mexican, not a Cuban, to really solidify any sort of real advantage with the Hispanics.
Is there even a qualified Mexican-American person (you know what I mean) to be the Veep?
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DA
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 5:21 pm to tiger1014)
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But the thing is, he would need a Mexican, not a Cuban, to really solidify any sort of real advantage with the Hispanics
Interesting. And I doubt the Hispanic community will fall for such a shallow gesture. Especially after the GOP debates where the issue was who would build the most deadly fence.
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tiger1014
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| re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney (Posted on 5/2/12 at 6:20 pm to DA)
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And I doubt the Hispanic community will fall for such a shallow gesture
People need to realize that Americans in general are not smart, or at least not in tune to pandering.
Just like some republican blacks who voted for obama because they thought it was time for a black president, I think you would have it with a Hispanic VP candidate with Romney.
It would definitely happen with a Mexican American VP candidate. You'll still have some with Rubio, but I just don't think it would even be close to as much.
A lot of Mexicans HATE Cubans.
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