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John Chavis Defensive Scheme
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:30 pm
I'm sure it's been posted before and discussed. And I know he runs a 4-3.
But, could anybody with an X's and O's mind, elaborate a little bit about the way he runs his particular scheme.
But, could anybody with an X's and O's mind, elaborate a little bit about the way he runs his particular scheme.
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:34 pm to RonSwanson
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anybody with X's and O's mind
you've definitely come to the right place
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:35 pm to RonSwanson
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And I know he runs a 4-3.
4-2-5
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:35 pm to sunnydaze
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you've definitely come to the right place
Despite the fact that rantards are the majority here, there are a few intelligent people who could answer this question.
I think, I saw it once.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:37 pm to RonSwanson
quote:He has awesome athletes and he teaches them to not let the other team get the football into the endzone. Rather genius, really.
elaborate a little bit about the way he runs his particular scheme.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:37 pm to RonSwanson
He runs a 4-2-5 base now. A nickel package so the TM7 can roam. Speed on the ends and usually large run stuffers in the middle. Usually turns db's into lb's to utilize speed and better coverage skills.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:42 pm to Chuck U Farley
Thanks for anwering, Chuck. 
Was the switch from a 4-3, and before or after Harry Coleman(right player?) transitioning from Safety to more of a hybrid S/LB?
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He runs a 4-2-5 base now.
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Usually turns db's into lb's to utilize speed and better coverage skills.
Was the switch from a 4-3, and before or after Harry Coleman(right player?) transitioning from Safety to more of a hybrid S/LB?
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:44 pm to RonSwanson
Chris Brown wrote a bit about Chavis before the WVU game...here's the article:
Chris Brown on John Chavis
The second half of the article breaks down the mustang package (actually it just talks more about zone blitz principles, but it's a start).
Chris Brown on John Chavis
The second half of the article breaks down the mustang package (actually it just talks more about zone blitz principles, but it's a start).
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:45 pm to eXfaktor
The switch to more of a 4-2-5 coincided with us having some very mediocre linebackers and a freshman named Tyrann Mathieu. Perfect storm that drove Chavis to introduce a true nickel package, which he never had before coming to LSU.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:46 pm to Chuck U Farley
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He runs a 4-2-5 base now. A nickel package so the TM7 can roam. Speed on the ends and usually large run stuffers in the middle. Usually turns db's into lb's to utilize speed and better coverage skills
Thanks for answering.
How do you think we have been so successful at stopping the run?
Our defense is based on speed, and it doesn't seem like we are geared to stop the run. But, we do. Just wondering if it's a particular way he runs it?
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:47 pm to RonSwanson
What you will see (especially int eh coming years) is he likes to have the tackles stuff holes and run gaps to open holes for really athletic LBs to fire in the holes and make plays
Tm7 plays kinda a dog back/rover and has Brandon Taylor (Eric Reid now) play over the top of him and reads what he does and plays cover or man depending on what TM7 does
This is very simplified and would be really hard to explain better without being able to show you film and break it down
Alittle thing to thinks about that will make u appreciate our athletes more is that our D tackles aren't designed to make the plays, when they get a sack or makes a play we are so use to seeing that player has exceeded his expectation. He has gone above and beyond his job on that play
Tm7 plays kinda a dog back/rover and has Brandon Taylor (Eric Reid now) play over the top of him and reads what he does and plays cover or man depending on what TM7 does
This is very simplified and would be really hard to explain better without being able to show you film and break it down
Alittle thing to thinks about that will make u appreciate our athletes more is that our D tackles aren't designed to make the plays, when they get a sack or makes a play we are so use to seeing that player has exceeded his expectation. He has gone above and beyond his job on that play
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:51 pm to wish i was tebow
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What you will see (especially int eh coming years) is he likes to have the tackles stuff holes and run gaps to open holes for really athletic LBs to fire in the holes and make plays
That's very true, and we still run a fair bit of 4-3. Historically, as you say, Chavis runs a very linebacker-centric defense, meaning it's designed to funnel plays to the linebackers. With the exception of last year, on Chavis teams, the top 3 or 4 in total tackles are linebackers almost every year he's coached.
With TM probably going pro next year, and a very promising linebacker class on board, I suspect we'll see more true 4-3 after this year and less of the nickel packages.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 2:06 pm to RonSwanson
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How do you think we have been so successful at stopping the run? Our defense is based on speed, and it doesn't seem like we are geared to stop the run. But, we do. Just wondering if it's a particular way he runs it?
IMO, technique, everyone playing their assignments, agressive play and superior athletes.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 2:07 pm to wish i was tebow
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What you will see (especially int eh coming years) is he likes to have the tackles stuff holes and run gaps to open holes for really athletic LBs to fire in the holes and make plays
This is what I thought.
Are 4-3 defenses typically set up this way?
It almost sounds like a 3-4s' scheme
Posted on 4/28/12 at 2:10 pm to NorfolkVATiger
I ha tried to explain this before to no avail, but here goes. Chavis does not run a 425. He runs a 43. We do play the majority of nickel personnel (5dbs) but the scheme is still a 43. Let me explain. A 43 is a 7 man front and the coverage correlates as such. A 425 is an 8 man front and the run fits/coverages are dictated by this. We run a 7 man front with a base quarters/palms coverage. This is a 43. I realize the personnel on the field is technically 425 but our front plays as a 43. Hopefully it works this time.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 2:19 pm to RonSwanson
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How do you think we have been so successful at stopping the run? Our defense is based on speed, and it doesn't seem like we are geared to stop the run. But, we do. Just wondering if it's a particular way he runs it?
D line reads and reacts to the blocking of the offensive lineman. For example, when the lineman base blocks, the d lineman engages and uses a move to 'undercut' the block. Defensive ends uses their speed to either undercut or squeeze down into the tackles hip pocket and screams down the line(think Mingo and Oregon). Linebackers read the triangle(guard to guard to back). When a guard pulls, they scrape over the top and follow). Playside linebacker spills the play to the outside. Safeties fill the alleys.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 2:20 pm to bengaltygers
Right.
The traditional 4-2-5, run by Gary Patterson at TCU, would be an eight man front, typically consisting of two safety type players, not a TM7.
The traditional 4-2-5, run by Gary Patterson at TCU, would be an eight man front, typically consisting of two safety type players, not a TM7.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 2:24 pm to RonSwanson
Thank you Jesus. Someone understands football.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 2:24 pm to NorfolkVATiger
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With TM probably going pro next year, and a very promising linebacker class on board, I suspect we'll see more true 4-3 after this year and less of the nickel packages.
This is what I've been saying. We have great lbs comin in so we will begin to see even more of a true chavis scheme in the next couple years
Think about how sick our d will be if we can keep getting top Dline to go with this solid group of backers coming in :jizz:
And yeah people say we run a 425 but that's not true at all. 4-3 and a lot of nickle. TM7 plays a rover type alot but it's really not a rover. It's really hard to explain by just typing especially when there are a bunch of people here explaining it that have no clue
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 4/28/12 at 2:29 pm to wish i was tebow
Our base is a 4-3, we just tend to run a lot of 4-2-5. Not the other way around
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