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NFLPA [maybe] had Williams tape
Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:13 am
Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:13 am
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This story keeps on getting weirder. I thought that Pamphilon supposedly released the tapes to the public because his conscience dictated that the story had to come out, etc. If that were the case, then why would the NFLPA have had the tapes first?
And Pamphilon will give the original tapes to the NFL if Roger Goodell gives him an interview for his documentary? Pathetic. Pamphilon continues to lose what little credibility he had.
ETA: The headline to the ESPN article says that the NFLPA had the tape, but the article doesn't actually say that. False headline.
This story keeps on getting weirder. I thought that Pamphilon supposedly released the tapes to the public because his conscience dictated that the story had to come out, etc. If that were the case, then why would the NFLPA have had the tapes first?
And Pamphilon will give the original tapes to the NFL if Roger Goodell gives him an interview for his documentary? Pathetic. Pamphilon continues to lose what little credibility he had.
ETA: The headline to the ESPN article says that the NFLPA had the tape, but the article doesn't actually say that. False headline.
This post was edited on 4/16/12 at 10:31 am
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Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:15 am to GOP_Tiger
The bigger story, Fujita is rolling over to try to cover his own arse. Chump
Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:18 am to Jester
If the guy was worried about player safety he would have given tapes to commish, not Yahoo Sports.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:21 am to Jester
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The bigger story, Fujita is rolling over to try to cover his own arse. Chump
What did Fujita do?
Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:22 am to Jester
Well hot damn...maybe Shanle has tapes.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:27 am to Patrick O Rly
Just read the article. Why would Fujita have been given tapes of a team he wasn't on? Or how could he have given details of the speech if he doesn't play for the Saints anymore.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:31 am to Jester
Fujita is one of Gleason's best friends. In fact, it was Fujita who organized the surprise party for Gleason with most of his old teammates right after he was diagnosed with ALS. So, while Gleason was supposedly disappointed that Pamphilon released the tape "without permission" etc., it looks to me like the plan from the beginning was to release the tape to help prevent long player suspensions, especially for Gleason's buddy Scott Fujita. I don't have a problem with that at all, but I wish people had just been honest about it.
I am most certainly not calling Gleason a liar or casting any aspersion on his character in the slightest, but the tales we've been told on the tape story don't add up.
I am most certainly not calling Gleason a liar or casting any aspersion on his character in the slightest, but the tales we've been told on the tape story don't add up.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:32 am to GOP_Tiger
I think the NFLPA see what all the rest of the saints fans see. That if we were playing dirty...why weren't there more injuries and targeting of player past injuries. Yeah fujita hasn't been a saint in a while how the hell did he have a tape and how can he expound on the SF game when he was in Cleav-land.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 8:42 am to GOP_Tiger
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Pamphilon released the tape "without permission" etc., it looks to me like the plan from the beginning was to release the tape to help prevent long player suspensions, especially for Gleason's buddy Scott Fujita.
Why does it look like that?
I know the article says the NFLPA wanted to use the tape to reduce player suspensions but that was for leverage in secret against league.
Like article says releasing the tape took away any advantage the NFLPA may have had with the tapes.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 9:03 am to jacks40
quote:They are blowing smoke, and it's not true in any case.
Like article says releasing the tape took away any advantage the NFLPA may have had with the tapes.
Do you think it was a coincidence that the tape was released the morning before Payton, Loomis, and Vitt met with Goodell for their appeals? The league didn't know about the tape until it was released. The blame for the bounties was either going to fall more heavily on the players or on the coaches and organization. By releasing the tape when they did, it significanly lessened the chance of a reduced penalty to Payton, Loomis, and Vitt. If the coaches and organization took the hit, then there would be smaller penalties for the players.
You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure this out.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 9:07 am to GOP_Tiger
Well, the NFLPA has said all along that nothing in the evidence that they were presented garnered a punishment of any sort. I'm thinking this bolsters that opinion. If they paint Williams as a "do it my way or the highway" kind of guy and they players still didn't do it, then that only helps them. Doesn't help Payton or Loomis.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 9:13 am to GOP_Tiger
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he league didn't know about the tape until it was released
They didn't know speech was taped, but Morts article said the league knew about speech and had already question Williams about it.
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organization. By releasing the tape when they did, it significanly lessened the chance of a reduced penalty to Payton, Loomis, and Vi
Reduced the chances from 5% to 2%?
Even before the tape was released everyone knew Goodell wasn't reversing his own ruling.
So this filmmaker is letting himself be painted as the bad guy who betrayed a dying mans trust just to protect Scott Fujita?
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You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure this out.
All things being equal, simplest explanation is more often the right one. This guy wanted to profit from the film/audio. He released it to do so.
This post was edited on 4/16/12 at 9:16 am
Posted on 4/16/12 at 9:19 am to jacks40
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All things being equal, simplest explanation is more often the right one. This guy wanted to profit from the film/audio. He released it to do so.
Couldn't agree more.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 9:35 am to jacks40
quote:How does the NFLPA help him make more money? It doesn't. How does the fact that NFLPA got the tapes help the Saints organization in any way? It doesn't. The NFLPA does not have the best interest of the Saints organization at heart. It exists to protect players like Scott Fujita.
All things being equal, simplest explanation is more often the right one. This guy wanted to profit from the film/audio. He released it to do so.
That leaves two options that I can see:
1) Gleason authorized Pamphilon to give the tape to Fujita who then gives it to the NFLPA. If this is true, then Gleason betrayed the trust of the Saints organization.
2) Fujita made a side deal with Pamphilon to get the tapes and give them to the NFLPA to protect himself, in which case Fujita is betraying Gleason's trust, and Pamphilon is doubly betraying Gleason.
Anyone got another theory of how the tapes get into Fujita's possession and thus to the NFLPA?
Posted on 4/16/12 at 9:48 am to GOP_Tiger
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How does the NFLPA help him make more money? It doesn't
Which is why he gave it to Yahoo Sports.
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exists to protect players like Scott Fujita.
And Vilma and Harper and Will Smith. The interests of these players and the Saints organization are not 100% the same but not mutually exclusive.
That said it wasn't the NFLPA that leaked the audio. It was the Sean guy who gave it to Michael Silver of Yahoo Sports.
The NFLPA having it means nothing except that they may have thought about telling the league "hey take it easy on player suspensions or this goes public"
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Anyone got another theory of how the tapes get into Fujita's possession and thus to the NFLPA?
You sure NFLPA had tape?
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Under an inaccurate headline, which claims that the NFLPA actually had possession of the tapes, Mortensen explains that it’s not known whether the NFLPA actually had possession of the tapes.
Regardless, there are other ways to get a copy of that tape besides these 2 methods you say are the only 2 options. It's been months since that game, and it's certainly plausable that Fujita was given a rough cut or some video to view just bc of his close relationship with Gleason and project.
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Posted on 4/16/12 at 10:02 am to jacks40
quote:OK. I missed the fact that Mort's article didn't actually state that the NFLPA had the tape.
Under an inaccurate headline, which claims that the NFLPA actually had possession of the tapes, Mortensen explains that it’s not known whether the NFLPA actually had possession of the tapes.
Definitely a misleading headline, and that means that most of what I wrote is moot. Which is good, because I really don't want to think badly of either Gleason or Fujita.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 11:41 am to jacks40
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All things being equal, simplest explanation is more often the right one. This guy wanted to profit from the film/audio. He released it to do so.
I believe this was well. I got a tweet from ProFootballTalk stating that "Goodell won't submit to interview in order to get Williams tapes".
This says that they have more and are willing to part with them for a small fee (Goodell interview).
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
I think Pamphilon knew the NFL already had knowledge of the tape. He wasn't releasing it for any sort of altruistic purposes. It was purely for his own gain. I really wish there was a way Gleason could sue him, but I doubt he would.
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