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The smartest thing Jones can do right now is sit down with Rick Villareal...
Posted on 4/14/12 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 4/14/12 at 4:59 pm
...who is the AD at North Texas. Villareal is an LSU guy who used to coach under Hallman, if I remember right.
Jones needs to sit down with Villareal and tell him "I need you to hook me up by letting my 6-10 JUCO kid out of his deal. And if you'll do that I'll make it up to you by feeding your new coach players for the next couple years."
The JUCO kid, who's been talked about on this board a little, is a Nigerian named John Odoh. He's at Hill Junior College in Texas, and this year he averaged 12 points a game, which is nothing to write home about, but he also had 14 rebounds and 4.6 blocks a game. And while I doubt he scores a lot at the next level (if you're only scoring 12 a game against JUCO competition where big men are really scarce you probably lack offensive skills), those rebounds and blocks might very well translate. Particularly as he's raw as hell and surviving on pure athleticism right now; you can get by on athleticism for defense and rebounding while you're learning how to play.
I'm sure they're doing everything they can to get Gathers, although my guess is if they turn him and he does the hat trick deal on Monday Scott Drew is going to be like Arnold Horshack with his hand up yelling "Ooooh! Oooooh!" to the NCAA. I wouldn't be surprised to see us sign Pat Swilling's kid out of the College of Southern Idaho, either, as an exercise in getting more athletes on the roster and a stab at making nice with people in New Orleans. Swilling might help in getting Gathers, and he also might help in getting Luke Cothron, who's a guy good enough to play in the SEC if you can keep his head on straight long enough to get through a season. Cothron's 6-8 and he's also at Southern Idaho.
And Jones really needs to get his butt over to Mobile and sign Jaleel Cousins. He's 6-10 and 260 pounds and even though his conditioning leaves something to be desired his game isn't all that dissimilar to his brother's. Seton Hall offered him, but it looks like they filled up because he's still out there and if we don't jump in he might well end up at Murray State (and their fans are praying they can get him).
LSU needs three of those guys, or people like them.
Heard this morning from somebody that Shavon Coleman is only actually 6-4. He might still be worth signing, but he ain't exactly gonna help in the post.
Don't ask me about this hire, BTW. I promised somebody I wouldn't say anything about it.
Jones needs to sit down with Villareal and tell him "I need you to hook me up by letting my 6-10 JUCO kid out of his deal. And if you'll do that I'll make it up to you by feeding your new coach players for the next couple years."
The JUCO kid, who's been talked about on this board a little, is a Nigerian named John Odoh. He's at Hill Junior College in Texas, and this year he averaged 12 points a game, which is nothing to write home about, but he also had 14 rebounds and 4.6 blocks a game. And while I doubt he scores a lot at the next level (if you're only scoring 12 a game against JUCO competition where big men are really scarce you probably lack offensive skills), those rebounds and blocks might very well translate. Particularly as he's raw as hell and surviving on pure athleticism right now; you can get by on athleticism for defense and rebounding while you're learning how to play.
I'm sure they're doing everything they can to get Gathers, although my guess is if they turn him and he does the hat trick deal on Monday Scott Drew is going to be like Arnold Horshack with his hand up yelling "Ooooh! Oooooh!" to the NCAA. I wouldn't be surprised to see us sign Pat Swilling's kid out of the College of Southern Idaho, either, as an exercise in getting more athletes on the roster and a stab at making nice with people in New Orleans. Swilling might help in getting Gathers, and he also might help in getting Luke Cothron, who's a guy good enough to play in the SEC if you can keep his head on straight long enough to get through a season. Cothron's 6-8 and he's also at Southern Idaho.
And Jones really needs to get his butt over to Mobile and sign Jaleel Cousins. He's 6-10 and 260 pounds and even though his conditioning leaves something to be desired his game isn't all that dissimilar to his brother's. Seton Hall offered him, but it looks like they filled up because he's still out there and if we don't jump in he might well end up at Murray State (and their fans are praying they can get him).
LSU needs three of those guys, or people like them.
Heard this morning from somebody that Shavon Coleman is only actually 6-4. He might still be worth signing, but he ain't exactly gonna help in the post.
Don't ask me about this hire, BTW. I promised somebody I wouldn't say anything about it.
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Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:06 pm to macaoidh
Agreed on all points.
I don't know about Shavons height, but he has consistently been listed at 6-6 since HS. His own coach said he could play a little PF, if needed. I don't think anyone is counting on him in the post, other than as a fill in for a few minutes.
There are a fair amount of juco post players still available.
I don't know about Shavons height, but he has consistently been listed at 6-6 since HS. His own coach said he could play a little PF, if needed. I don't think anyone is counting on him in the post, other than as a fill in for a few minutes.
There are a fair amount of juco post players still available.
This post was edited on 4/14/12 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:10 pm to Bubba Hotep
There is a kid at Pearl River CC that averaged 12 and 8. Listed at 6'9" I think. He started his career at Grambling. I'm blanking on his name right now, but there are rumblings that we're hiring an assistant from PRCC to the staff. I wonder if we're looking at this kid for a warm body down low?
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:20 pm to Bubba Hotep
Not many with impressive numbers, Bubba. I fear we're about to see some 6-9 Snake Castons and Chico Pottses.
The Odoh kid is a piece Johnny really needs to add here. And given the way things are, he ought to take Cothron and cross his fingers that the kid learned something from getting kicked off the team at Southern Idaho for six weeks this year. He had some really solid numbers this year - 14.0 ppg, 8.1 rpg and 2.3 blocks a game playing only 23 minutes a game, and he shot 56 percent from the floor.
If he got those two guys and Swilling (Swilling averaged 12.3 points a game at Southern Idaho, but a lot of the rest of his stat line sucked), plus Hammink and Coleman, he'd at least fill up his roster. If he could get Cothron without having to take Swilling and instead get Cousins, he might actually have some depth in the post.
I'm encouraged about two things Jones seems to have going for him, though neither one are particularly revolutionary. The fact that he's getting Randy in here is smart; Randy's been running an AAU tournament in New Orleans for several years at which everybody in the country is coming in for. But of course it's not so much that Jones is a genius for wanting to hire him, it's that Trent was a hard-headed dumbass for refusing to. Anybody would hire Randy. Glad to see Jones is anybody.
And the second thing is that Jones seems to carry a full 13 man roster. That seems like an obvious thing, but the guy we just got rid of was perfectly happy carrying 11 kids. And that might be OK if you're Kentucky or North Carolina, but we ain't Kentucky or North Carolina. When you're LSU, you need to carry 13 and you need to force your kids to compete hard against each other in practice so they improve - because most of them aren't blue-blood recruits like Kentucky's and North Carolina's are.
The Odoh kid is a piece Johnny really needs to add here. And given the way things are, he ought to take Cothron and cross his fingers that the kid learned something from getting kicked off the team at Southern Idaho for six weeks this year. He had some really solid numbers this year - 14.0 ppg, 8.1 rpg and 2.3 blocks a game playing only 23 minutes a game, and he shot 56 percent from the floor.
If he got those two guys and Swilling (Swilling averaged 12.3 points a game at Southern Idaho, but a lot of the rest of his stat line sucked), plus Hammink and Coleman, he'd at least fill up his roster. If he could get Cothron without having to take Swilling and instead get Cousins, he might actually have some depth in the post.
I'm encouraged about two things Jones seems to have going for him, though neither one are particularly revolutionary. The fact that he's getting Randy in here is smart; Randy's been running an AAU tournament in New Orleans for several years at which everybody in the country is coming in for. But of course it's not so much that Jones is a genius for wanting to hire him, it's that Trent was a hard-headed dumbass for refusing to. Anybody would hire Randy. Glad to see Jones is anybody.
And the second thing is that Jones seems to carry a full 13 man roster. That seems like an obvious thing, but the guy we just got rid of was perfectly happy carrying 11 kids. And that might be OK if you're Kentucky or North Carolina, but we ain't Kentucky or North Carolina. When you're LSU, you need to carry 13 and you need to force your kids to compete hard against each other in practice so they improve - because most of them aren't blue-blood recruits like Kentucky's and North Carolina's are.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:20 pm to macaoidh
shavon is a swingman. if he signs i'd think he starts at the 3, turner the 2.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:20 pm to macaoidh
Are you just naming random players, or is there actually contact happening between them and LSU?
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:25 pm to ProjectP2294
Project P, the kid's name is Zane Knowles. Originally from the Bahamas.
12.6 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 61 percent from the floor.
The thing I don't like is that he's only got 37 blocks in 27 games. A 6-9 kid ought to block a lot more shots than that in JUCO ball.
12.6 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 61 percent from the floor.
The thing I don't like is that he's only got 37 blocks in 27 games. A 6-9 kid ought to block a lot more shots than that in JUCO ball.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:28 pm to macaoidh
sometimes its hard to tell with what goes on in juco games based on the stat lines, lots of helter skelter action going on the court, lots of jumpers.
magnum rolle bahamanian connection
posted a coleman update in the other thread
magnum rolle bahamanian connection
posted a coleman update in the other thread
This post was edited on 4/14/12 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:29 pm to macaoidh
That's him. I see your point about the blocks, but like I said, he probably wouldn't be more than a warm body.
He barely got any time at Grambling his freshman year. He's just a guy that could be in play if we're really in a pinch. I tried to find if he signed or committed somewhere already, but didn't see anything.
I do disagree on Pat Swilling though. If we get Hammink, Coleman, and Morgan, there is no reason to try to bring in Swilling. I just don't see him adding anything that those other guys can't do. He's not as good a scorer as Morgan, and he couldn't run the point like Hammink can if needed. And he's smaller than Coleman.
He barely got any time at Grambling his freshman year. He's just a guy that could be in play if we're really in a pinch. I tried to find if he signed or committed somewhere already, but didn't see anything.
I do disagree on Pat Swilling though. If we get Hammink, Coleman, and Morgan, there is no reason to try to bring in Swilling. I just don't see him adding anything that those other guys can't do. He's not as good a scorer as Morgan, and he couldn't run the point like Hammink can if needed. And he's smaller than Coleman.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:30 pm to ProjectP2294
agree on swilling though i would definitely take him if shavon ends up elsewhere.
This post was edited on 4/14/12 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:31 pm to macaoidh
Aren't there issues with Cousins outside of conditioning? I know his name was brought up early in the year on this board and for some reason thought it was shot down. He could be a decent grab this late in the game.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:31 pm to You will Artichokes
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Are you just naming random players, or is there actually contact happening between them and LSU?
There's apparently some contact with Swilling, who on his own isn't really a take for us unless through him you can get somebody else. So I'm guessing Cothron or Gathers is what they're trying to do there since they've got scholarships to give.
For us not to be on Cousins is just crazy. How many 6-10, 260 pound kids who made all-state in 5A are still available?
Here's some video on him: LINK
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:34 pm to macaoidh
I just read the last couple pages of the main thread. If Swilling somehow lands us Gathers, take him.
He can't be as bad as Louis Earl was.
He can't be as bad as Louis Earl was.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:34 pm to macaoidh
He needs to meet Coach Moffit or whomever runs the strength and conditioning for the bball team.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 5:40 pm to PortCityMadMan
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He needs to meet Coach Moffit or whomever runs the strength and conditioning for the bball team.
Let's hope Trent's takin' that cat with him to TCU so we can get somebody in here who knows WTF he's doing.
Cousins definitely needs work on his conditioning, and this year I wouldn't expect a lot more out of him than five fouls. But over time you could develop him. And if you can bust Odoh out of his deal at UNT, you've at least got a couple of guys who have enough size not to get killed inside.
Because the key here is not making O'Bryant play the 5. I've been told over and over that O'Bryant refuses to play the 5 and that he'll leave out of here if he has to.
Truth be told, his game doesn't lend itself to that anyway. It's for the best of everybody concerned to keep from having to use him at the 5.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 6:36 pm to macaoidh
hopefully he can bring in a player or two off the NT squad with him and whatever recruits that NT was looking at as well
Posted on 4/14/12 at 6:50 pm to boxcar willie
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hopefully he can bring in a player or two off the NT squad with him and whatever recruits that NT was looking at as well
Outside of Tony Mitchell, who's a lot more likely to go pro than transfer, UNT doesn't have anybody on their current roster who can help us.
Besides, if Trent Johnson didn't break us of this D1 transfer crap, we're stupid.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 7:59 pm to ProjectP2294
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There is a kid at Pearl River CC that averaged 12 and 8. Listed at 6'9" I think. He started his career at Grambling. I'm blanking on his name right now, but there are rumblings that we're hiring an assistant from PRCC to the staff. I wonder if we're looking at this kid for a warm body down low?
there is a 7'1 or 7'2 guy on Shane Hamnick's team in Spain that has great numbers. We need to get on that boy as well. He looks like a scrub, but as you can see he gets his.
Boris Bojanovsky
Posted on 4/14/12 at 8:24 pm to memphisplaya
Yeah, I put that in a thread earlier today or last night. He's got an offer from NC State, and was being looked at by a few other schools. Could be a prospect of interest going forward.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 8:35 pm to memphisplaya
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there is a 7'1 or 7'2 guy on Shane Hamnick's team in Spain that has great numbers. We need to get on that boy as well. He looks like a scrub, but as you can see he gets his.
Boris Bojanovsky
good call. euro players....the fast track to rebuilding LSU hoops. fundamentaly sound, well coached kids who would love to get the chance to come across the pond. this years quality bigs are gone so why take chances on kids who have a history of underachieving?
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