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Non Saints Fans: General Thoughts on Yesterday's Announcements
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:35 pm
Things I'm surprised about:
- I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this
- I'm surprised no players (Vilma + Harper) were suspended; however, those could still be coming
- I'm surprised that Payton got a whole year. Thought he'd get around 10 games. He's the head man in charge, so I understand it.
- I'm really surprised more/higher draft picks weren't taken.
All in All, I think it was a pretty spot on punishment.
Saints' management basically payed players to intentionally injure opposing players. I don't see how Saints fans are bitching about Spygate when this is much much worse and more dangerous.
I don't see how Payton keeps his job? Thoughts on his future with the Saints?
Expected punishments for players?
- I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this
- I'm surprised no players (Vilma + Harper) were suspended; however, those could still be coming
- I'm surprised that Payton got a whole year. Thought he'd get around 10 games. He's the head man in charge, so I understand it.
- I'm really surprised more/higher draft picks weren't taken.
All in All, I think it was a pretty spot on punishment.
Saints' management basically payed players to intentionally injure opposing players. I don't see how Saints fans are bitching about Spygate when this is much much worse and more dangerous.
I don't see how Payton keeps his job? Thoughts on his future with the Saints?
Expected punishments for players?
This post was edited on 3/22/12 at 12:58 pm
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Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:37 pm to bddwolfpack
I thought franchise as whole would be fined
6-8 games for Sean
A few player suspensions
Knew NFL would come down hard and make them the example but NFL came down with iron fist today, was actually worse than I assumed
6-8 games for Sean
A few player suspensions
Knew NFL would come down hard and make them the example but NFL came down with iron fist today, was actually worse than I assumed
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:38 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
Saints' management basically payed players to intentionally injure opposing players.
Every team does this who cares
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:39 pm to bddwolfpack
its bullshite
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:39 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
Non Saints Fans: Geneal Thoughts on Today's Announcements
I'm happy, but it should've been harsher.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:39 pm to tduecen
quote:
I thought franchise as whole would be fined
Didn't this happen too?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:39 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this
From the official NFL report over on Saints Talk, it basically says his reinstatement will be based upon his level of cooperation with the investigators.
My guess is this is just the beginning of it all.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:40 pm to bddwolfpack
My guess - what I think is reasonable in light of the evidence:
Williams: 2 seasons then seek reinstatement - probably would be blacklisted anyway
Payton: 8 games and $1MM fine
Loomis: 4 games and 25% of annual salary (whatever that is)
Vitt: 4 games & 25% of annual salary
Players: no specifics mentioned in report (except Vilma)
Vilma 8 games
Others 4 games
Team: $1MM and entire 2012 draft
Williams: 2 seasons then seek reinstatement - probably would be blacklisted anyway
Payton: 8 games and $1MM fine
Loomis: 4 games and 25% of annual salary (whatever that is)
Vitt: 4 games & 25% of annual salary
Players: no specifics mentioned in report (except Vilma)
Vilma 8 games
Others 4 games
Team: $1MM and entire 2012 draft
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:40 pm to LR4Reb
Harsher? What should have been the suspensions in your opinion?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:41 pm to bddwolfpack
My initial thoughts were that the punishment may have been too severe, but reading through the PDF, it's pretty damning. Not shocking why they came down like they did.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:42 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
Saints' management basically payed players to intentionally injure opposing players. I don't see how Saints fans are bitching about Spygate when this is much much worse and more dangerous.
they weren't paid to injure players. They were paid if a player was injured within the context of the game.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:43 pm to bddwolfpack
The rational side of me thinks it was a little over the top and the Saints are being made an example of. The Falcons/Cowboys fan side of me is lapping up the taint tears.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:43 pm to OBUDan
Dan,
Can you link me the PDF? I'd love to read over it.
Also, chances Payton is fired? I say 85%
Can you link me the PDF? I'd love to read over it.
Also, chances Payton is fired? I say 85%
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:43 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:His ultimate fate is tbd. I think he might be done.
- I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this
quote:TBD
I'm surprised no players (Vilma + Harper) weren't suspended; however, those could still be coming
quote:I agree. I thought 4-6 games. Upon reading the report, the full season is still a little surprising but much more understandable.
I'm surprised that Payton got a whole year.
quote:Two twos is not insignificant in the NFL.
I'm really surprised more/higher draft picks weren't taken.
quote:I don't have much of a problem with it, but i don't have any kind of rooting interest one way or the other. I can see why Saints fans would be caught off guard and pissed though.
All in All, I think it was a pretty spot on punishment.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:44 pm to OBUDan
quote:
OBUDan
+1. Seemed like a lot initially, but when you look at the circumstances it's not.
Saints fans seem to be acting like the team is being punished for encouraging players to play harder. But they're being punished for directly disobeying the NFL.
I'm having trouble figuring out how people can think that this isn't that big of a deal, but I guess they're blinded by fandom.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:44 pm to bddwolfpack
Did it? Did I miss that part?
The money they saving by not paying Sean/Loomis can pay that
The money they saving by not paying Sean/Loomis can pay that
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:45 pm to bddwolfpack
We'll have to see the player suspensions, before getting an idea of the overall treatment of the issue.
So far, relatively light. I'm pretty sure Payton wouldn't have gotten a year, if he had cooperated fully-- so that's about him, as much as it was about the system.
So far, relatively light. I'm pretty sure Payton wouldn't have gotten a year, if he had cooperated fully-- so that's about him, as much as it was about the system.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:45 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
quote:
NorthGwinnettTiger
The Falcons have beaten the Saints TWICE under the Payton administration. The Saints are 10-2
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:45 pm to WDE24
quote:
Two twos is not insignificant in the NFL.
Agreed
I though 2012 2nd + 2013 first and second
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:46 pm to OBUDan
quote:
My initial thoughts were that the punishment may have been too severe, but reading through the PDF, it's pretty damning. Not shocking why they came down like they did.
Exactly my thoughts. The Saints fans have nobody to blame except for Payton, Williams, etc. Don't break the rules and you don't get punished.
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