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Why are used car prices so high now?
Posted on 3/8/12 at 9:13 am
Posted on 3/8/12 at 9:13 am
I was looking at buying a Sonata, and have access to car auctions via a friend. A Sonata with 20k miles in great condition goes for barely less than the MSRP on a brand new Sonata.
If it comes down to less than a 2k difference on the car am I wrong for thinking getting a brand new car is the wiser move? I wouldn't be financing much of it at all, but having a lower rate on that little bit and having the factory warranty seems worth it to me... The auction is still going on so maybe he just over estimated what it will go for, but I doubt it.
FTR I'm not stupid enough to pay MSRP, but that alone shocked me.
If it comes down to less than a 2k difference on the car am I wrong for thinking getting a brand new car is the wiser move? I wouldn't be financing much of it at all, but having a lower rate on that little bit and having the factory warranty seems worth it to me... The auction is still going on so maybe he just over estimated what it will go for, but I doubt it.
FTR I'm not stupid enough to pay MSRP, but that alone shocked me.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 9:17 am
Posted on 3/8/12 at 9:43 am to WavinWilly
I'm battling with this issue myself. My ghetto car is 9 years old now and I want an upgrade.
Was thinking about a good used truck, but the prices just seem stupid for something with 25-50,000 miles or so.
I think I'm just going to give up and go buy a used accord or camry and be done with it.
Was thinking about a good used truck, but the prices just seem stupid for something with 25-50,000 miles or so.
I think I'm just going to give up and go buy a used accord or camry and be done with it.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 9:50 am to notiger1997
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I think I'm just going to give up and go buy a used accord or camry and be done with it.
Gas is going but no where but up.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 9:52 am to WavinWilly
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I was looking at buying a Sonata, and have access to car auctions via a friend. A Sonata with 20k miles in great condition goes for barely less than the MSRP on a brand new Sonata
wow
i have a 2006 with 50k miles...what are those going for?
Posted on 3/8/12 at 9:53 am to notiger1997
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, but the prices just seem stupid for something with 25-50,000 miles or so.
I think I'm just going to give up and go buy a used accord or camry and be done with it.
Exactly. A new GLS Sonata MSRP on their website is 19,700. 2011 Used with 30k miles (and it also loses the 100,000/10yr mile warranty) in good condition start at 18k on Autotrader. It will be interesting to see what they average at auction today. The other thing is the auction cars are often times rentals and god knows what happened to them (and it won't show up on carfax because they do in house repairs)... I feel like talking a dealer down to 18k for the brand new should be expected.
Am I missing something?
ETA: ftr the redesign was in 2011 so the 2011 and 2012 are in high demand... but even still that doesn't seem accurate to me.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 9:55 am
Posted on 3/8/12 at 9:55 am to WavinWilly
I was in the same situation btw. I got a 2011 Malibu for 19, a 2010 on the lot with 17k miles on it was 18,200. Went for the new one. I'm sure I could have come off the 18.2 a little more but even though, got a new car and that dealership was giving me 3k more for my trade in so it was a no brainer.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 9:58 am to WavinWilly
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damn $13k at a dealer. that's a lot more than i thought they'd be selling for. not exactly comparable, but still
damn $13k at a dealer. that's a lot more than i thought they'd be selling for. not exactly comparable, but still
Posted on 3/8/12 at 10:00 am to wegotdatwood
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I got a 2011 Malibu for 19, a 2010 on the lot with 17k miles on it was 18,200. Went for the new one. I'm sure I could have come off the 18.2 a little more but even though, got a new car and that dealership was giving me 3k more for my trade in so it was a no brainer.
when i bought my sonata, the 2 year old camry with 21k miles was like $18k. it was a V6 though
the sonota i bought was like $17k new with the 10/100k warranty
Posted on 3/8/12 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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damn $13k at a dealer. that's a lot more than i thought they'd be selling for. not exactly comparable, but still
Damn. Gas prices must be driving the market. I wanted to punch the first guy I talked to for what he offered me on trade in. (I wasn't really that serious yet though. Just getting feelers)
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the sonota i bought was like $17k new with the 10/100k warranty
This is the ballpark I want to really talk the dealer down to. But looking at invoice I dunno if that will happen.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 10:10 am
Posted on 3/8/12 at 10:20 am to WavinWilly
I looked at buying used a few months ago when I bought my wife's SUV. Used prices were terrible and financing was way worse than a new vehicle.
We ended up getting her a brand new Ford Escape for less than a 2009 Explorer with 48k miles and less than a 2008 Pathfinder with 40k miles.
I know the Escape is smaller and a step down but we couldn't pass it up with it being 2 and 3 years newer, more features, better financing, better gas mileage, and with a warranty.
We ended up getting her a brand new Ford Escape for less than a 2009 Explorer with 48k miles and less than a 2008 Pathfinder with 40k miles.
I know the Escape is smaller and a step down but we couldn't pass it up with it being 2 and 3 years newer, more features, better financing, better gas mileage, and with a warranty.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 11:03 am to Slickback
Still pimping my 2000 Toyota 4Runner with 168K miles on it. Bought it with 154K about a year ago after I had a 1998 totaled out by an idiot in Denham Springs who pulled out in front of my lane of traffic.
Spent around $6K on two vehicles in 5 years. I'll deal with 18.5 mpg in exchange for no truck note and a car with decent passenger room, tons of space, no wow factor whatsoever, & the knowledge that I can quite literally drive the wheels off the damn thing before the engine stops starting up.
EDIT: I have a friend who lives on Diversion in Maurepas but commutes to the nuke plant in Marrero LA. For him, his purchase of a new Civic 3-4 years ago was a great idea, & makes tons of sense for a commute like that. But for me? Reliability, space, & no truck note FTMFW!
Spent around $6K on two vehicles in 5 years. I'll deal with 18.5 mpg in exchange for no truck note and a car with decent passenger room, tons of space, no wow factor whatsoever, & the knowledge that I can quite literally drive the wheels off the damn thing before the engine stops starting up.
EDIT: I have a friend who lives on Diversion in Maurepas but commutes to the nuke plant in Marrero LA. For him, his purchase of a new Civic 3-4 years ago was a great idea, & makes tons of sense for a commute like that. But for me? Reliability, space, & no truck note FTMFW!
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/8/12 at 11:44 am to GFunk
As more car companies offer longer and longer warranties, and reliability continues to improve, I think you are going to see gently used cars continue to fetch a nice price tag.
I have especially seen this with the plethora of "Certified Used" cars. My gf recently picked up an 08 Lexes IS250 with 32k miles on it, and a brand-spanking new 2011/2012 was only about 7k more.
I have especially seen this with the plethora of "Certified Used" cars. My gf recently picked up an 08 Lexes IS250 with 32k miles on it, and a brand-spanking new 2011/2012 was only about 7k more.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 2:39 pm to GFunk
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no truck note FTMFW!
The way to go. We put $15k down on my wife's Escape. A few more months and we could've paid cash, but had a baby coming and had to get her out of her sportscar.
My truck is an 04 and I think it'll last another 5-6 years; long enough to pay her car off and save enough for my next one.
I really am amazed at the amount of debt people are willing to get themselves in for an overpriced vehicle that will depreciate by 50% within a few years.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:15 pm to Slickback
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I really am amazed at the amount of debt people are willing to get themselves in for an overpriced vehicle that will depreciate by 50% within a few years.
Me too. And I'm mosly talking about people that I know. They have trouble keeping up and I have a pretty good idea of their income. It is strange to see them driving new cars that I'm sure is costing them over $400 a month.
The part about depreciate by 50% is BS though. As you can see from the subject of the thread, cars are holding their values pretty damn well even at 3 or 4 years old.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:23 pm to WavinWilly
New car prices are up.
$18K to $20K is what people are paying for a Civic, Focus, or a Cruze.
My fiancé is probably getting a slightly used Corolla for a commuter car in a few weeks. Trading up from her current unreliable car.
On the other hand, my Silverado has barely lost $8,000 in value after almost 100,000 miles....and it is still very reliable and drives very well. Maybe modem cars are getting more dependable?
I remember my brother putting 100,000 on a Camry before it crapped out completely...and we considered that a good car in the mid 1990s.
If you only get 100,000 miles out of a car today, you'd have some very angry consumers.
$18K to $20K is what people are paying for a Civic, Focus, or a Cruze.
My fiancé is probably getting a slightly used Corolla for a commuter car in a few weeks. Trading up from her current unreliable car.
On the other hand, my Silverado has barely lost $8,000 in value after almost 100,000 miles....and it is still very reliable and drives very well. Maybe modem cars are getting more dependable?
I remember my brother putting 100,000 on a Camry before it crapped out completely...and we considered that a good car in the mid 1990s.
If you only get 100,000 miles out of a car today, you'd have some very angry consumers.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 3/9/12 at 7:32 am to WavinWilly
3 words...
Cash for Clunkers.
A group of democrats at the federal level decided that you shouldn't drive an older car, sso they destroyed a complete inventory of used autos, all in the name of stimulus.
Cash for Clunkers.
A group of democrats at the federal level decided that you shouldn't drive an older car, sso they destroyed a complete inventory of used autos, all in the name of stimulus.
Posted on 3/9/12 at 8:14 am to BestBanker
Cash for Clunkers certainly hit used car supply, the credit crunch after the housing bubble did a number on it too reducing the number of leased cars. The economy has probably reduced how often people upgrade their cars reducing the supply as well. On top of that frugal is in so buying a slightly used car has become the smart thing to do rather than something only Money Board types did, so shrinking supply meets rising demand leading to high used car prices.
In your situation I'd go with the new car. For my wife's car we ran into a similar market where used cars and new cars were very close in value, but that was back when the car industry was doing all the crazy discounts like employee pricing. We had fully intended to buy used but the new cars were such a good deal in comparison we bought new.
In your situation I'd go with the new car. For my wife's car we ran into a similar market where used cars and new cars were very close in value, but that was back when the car industry was doing all the crazy discounts like employee pricing. We had fully intended to buy used but the new cars were such a good deal in comparison we bought new.
Posted on 3/9/12 at 8:23 am to WavinWilly
I am in the process of buying a used Jeep Wrangler. I can find one on Jeep sites and other classifieds with the mods I like for 2 grand less than dealers want for the same Jeep minus the mods.
I am taking my time buying and hope that due to the rising gas prices, private sellers will be letting their Jeeps go due to high gas.
I am taking my time buying and hope that due to the rising gas prices, private sellers will be letting their Jeeps go due to high gas.
Posted on 3/9/12 at 9:57 am to notiger1997
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The part about depreciate by 50% is BS though. As you can see from the subject of the thread, cars are holding their values pretty damn well even at 3 or 4 years old.
I'm talking about the people that buy Ford F250 King Ranches for $65-$70k. 6 or 7 years down the road that truck is worth a fraction of that.
Posted on 3/9/12 at 10:14 am to Slickback
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I'm talking about the people that buy Ford F250 King Ranches for $65-$70k. 6 or 7 years down the road that truck is worth a fraction of that.
They are like the same people that buy new farm equipment. Hell my grandpa is a farmer and he still has a truck from the 40's
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