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Simon better than Claiborne?
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:20 am
I just saw this on ESPN Insiders. The article is about how teams will replace key players next year. (Another segment talked about how Bama would replace Kirkpatrick.) Interesting....
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LSU Tigers
Early entry: CB Morris Claiborne
Replacement plan: Tharold Simon
This review provided the biggest shock of the entire analysis. Going into the seven-game sample (Oregon, West Virginia Mountaineers, Auburn, Alabama [twice], Arkansas and Georgia Bulldogs), the big question was whether the Honey Badger, Tyrann Mathieu, would be able to replace Claiborne as this team's best cornerback.
The first shock is that Claiborne is not quite as good as is generally thought: 25 targets, 12 completions/defensive penalties, 188 yards, 7.5 YPA, one touchdown and three interceptions. The interception total is quite good, but the YPA mark against the toughest passing offenses on the Tigers' schedule shows that Claiborne may be more of a ballhawk than a coverage player.
Mathieu certainly looks to be capable of becoming a top-notch collegiate ballhawk, but he had some significant coverage issues (25 targets, 14 completions for 221 yards) that led to an unacceptable 8.8 YPA. LSU will need him to do a better job before cutting him loose to go after passes more often.
That mindset leads to the second shocking item, which is that Simon was head and shoulders above Mathieu and Claiborne in coverage last season: 30 targets, 12 completions, 108 yards, 3.6 YPA. The YPA wasn't just an anomaly based on facing short passes either, as Simon allowed only two completions for 35 yards on 15 vertical targets (those thrown 11 or more yards downfield).
It should be noted that Simon allowed zero completions in eight stretch vertical targets (those thrown 20 or more yards downfield) and picked off two of those passes, so it is possible he could actually take over the ballhawk and coverage roles from Claiborne and leave Mathieu to focus on improving his YPA -- and making the type of plays that led to his being named a Heisman finalist in 2011.
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LSU Tigers
Early entry: CB Morris Claiborne
Replacement plan: Tharold Simon
This review provided the biggest shock of the entire analysis. Going into the seven-game sample (Oregon, West Virginia Mountaineers, Auburn, Alabama [twice], Arkansas and Georgia Bulldogs), the big question was whether the Honey Badger, Tyrann Mathieu, would be able to replace Claiborne as this team's best cornerback.
The first shock is that Claiborne is not quite as good as is generally thought: 25 targets, 12 completions/defensive penalties, 188 yards, 7.5 YPA, one touchdown and three interceptions. The interception total is quite good, but the YPA mark against the toughest passing offenses on the Tigers' schedule shows that Claiborne may be more of a ballhawk than a coverage player.
Mathieu certainly looks to be capable of becoming a top-notch collegiate ballhawk, but he had some significant coverage issues (25 targets, 14 completions for 221 yards) that led to an unacceptable 8.8 YPA. LSU will need him to do a better job before cutting him loose to go after passes more often.
That mindset leads to the second shocking item, which is that Simon was head and shoulders above Mathieu and Claiborne in coverage last season: 30 targets, 12 completions, 108 yards, 3.6 YPA. The YPA wasn't just an anomaly based on facing short passes either, as Simon allowed only two completions for 35 yards on 15 vertical targets (those thrown 11 or more yards downfield).
It should be noted that Simon allowed zero completions in eight stretch vertical targets (those thrown 20 or more yards downfield) and picked off two of those passes, so it is possible he could actually take over the ballhawk and coverage roles from Claiborne and leave Mathieu to focus on improving his YPA -- and making the type of plays that led to his being named a Heisman finalist in 2011.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:22 am to TigerCard
Probably not better, but I'm sure he'll be really good. We grow them on trees now.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:23 am to TigerCard
Simon was not covering opposing teams #1 WRs all season like Claiborne was.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:24 am to HMTVBrian2
It's not a shock, right now you can't say he's better, but he definitely can be. He's a freak
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:25 am to eelsuee
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Simon was not covering opposing teams #1 WRs all season like Claiborne was.
We saw him as a true freshmen against Julio jones, and he did just as good, if not better than peterson did for 3 years on him.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:27 am to TigerCard
Yeah I saw that earlier, and I think his size has a lot to do with it. His height really gives him an advantage and has good ball skills from what I can see.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:28 am to TigerCard
no way he is better, but he is pretty good.
His ball skills are not even close MOs.
Nice find though
His ball skills are not even close MOs.
Nice find though
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 9:30 am
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:28 am to rballa19
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His height really gives him an advantage and has good ball skills from what I can see.
His hands are about 4 times worse than claiborne's are though.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:30 am to TigerCard
Another thing this article brings out is the problems Mathieu had in coverage, especially against tall receivers. (This was really evident in the championship game.) Am I the only one who thinks he is much better as a nickelback, or possibly even a free safety, than as an every-down cornerback?
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:30 am to bbap
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His hands are about 4 times worse than claiborne's are though.
This. He would have twice the amount of INTs if he could catch
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:35 am to Adam Banks
I think his hands will be better next year. He had several great pass break ups on long passes last year.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:37 am to Manswers
See if you can find him defend Julio Jones one on one as a frosh and then decide.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:41 am to TigerCard
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The interception total is quite good, but the YPA mark against the toughest passing offenses on the Tigers' schedule shows that Claiborne may be more of a ballhawk than a coverage player.
Who wrote this?
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:44 am to TigerCard
He's probably the most elite athlete of the bunch.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 9:55 am to TigerCard
Only issue I've seen with Mo is he tends to slip on double moves.
Interesting to see the numbers.
Interesting to see the numbers.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:00 am to KingofthePoint
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Who wrote this?
KC Joyner, aka the Football Scientist, is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider. He also can be found on Twitter @kcjoynertfs and at his website. He is the author of an annual fantasy football draft guide, which is available, and "Blindsided: Why the Left Tackle is Overrated and Other Contrarian Football Thoughts."
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:04 am to TigerCard
Simon is the better cover corner but Claiborne is a more valuable cb.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:09 am to TigerCard
Simon was probably guarding a #3 WR or a TE since he was nickel. Am I correct?
Hopefully he is better than MO, that would be amazing.
Hopefully he is better than MO, that would be amazing.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:13 am to TigerCard
Regardless - we won't be rebuliding --- we'll be re-loading, especially in the defensive backfield.
Not only do we have depth and quality in the projected starters ... we have a lot of talent that either redshirted or did not see DB playing time in 2011.
Not only do we have depth and quality in the projected starters ... we have a lot of talent that either redshirted or did not see DB playing time in 2011.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:14 am to Frankie Knuckles
It's unfair to say he is better, but equally unfair to claim that he won't be better.
He certainly has the tools to be great. Whether he steps up is the question. I hope he does.
He certainly has the tools to be great. Whether he steps up is the question. I hope he does.
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