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Easier to get passing yard for today's QBs?
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:17 am
Sorry for the ignorance, but I keep hearing this in regards to Brees versus Marino. Why is this so? I'm assuming there have been rule changes since '84 which calculate passing yards differently? If so, what are the changes?
This post was edited on 12/27/11 at 9:19 am
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:18 am to skidmark
go watch film from the 80's and see what DB's did to WR's.
And also look how much more often QB's were knocked down after releasing the ball
And also look how much more often QB's were knocked down after releasing the ball
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:20 am to skidmark
Defenders used to be able to play much more physically with receivers back in the day. While a lot of the rule changes that Brees has benefitted from went into effect before Marino's season, they were fairly "new" then, and the refs were not calling PI, illegal contact, etc. nearly as close.
Plus, the QB was not nearly as protected as now.
That said, it does not detract from his accomplishment any more than Marino's was less than Fouts'.
Plus, the QB was not nearly as protected as now.
That said, it does not detract from his accomplishment any more than Marino's was less than Fouts'.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:28 am to Pilot Tiger
...bogus.. players today are bigger, stronger, faster on BOTH sides of the line of scrimmage - it all equals out .. "rules" changes are adjusted to by more talented players ... for example , did Marino face today's style blitz packages and size strength of DL players .. all the players are better - overall - than 30 years ago .. JMHO... 
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:29 am to udtiger
the game as evolved radically. Go back to the Unitas generation before Marino. The average score was prolly something like 20-14. 25 pass attempts was the high end. Half of all passing plays then would today be called roughing the passer. 3/4 of all those pass attempts would now be pass interference. Add that there were 12 & 14 game seasons way back for cumulative numbers. There is definite appreciation to be had of performance relative to eras beyond statistics. That said, it by no means detracts from the significance of the record.
The consecutive TD pass games record is an incredible non cumulative mark that has stood for over 50 years!
The consecutive TD pass games record is an incredible non cumulative mark that has stood for over 50 years!
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:32 am to skidmark
I am sick and tired of hearing how much easier it is for today's quarterbacks to get big numbers.
If it's so much easier, why in the hell has the record stood for twenty fricking seven years?
If it's so much easier, why in the hell has the record stood for twenty fricking seven years?
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:34 am to blueslover
...consecutive games with a TD pass = Babe Ruth HR record ... if Brees gets that one it will be epic ...
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:37 am to Riverwood
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I am sick and tired of hearing how much easier it is for today's quarterbacks to get big numbers.
Okay. DO me a favor. After next week, count the number of 4k plus quarterbacks in the league and compare it to how many did in 1984. Nothing to get all butt hurt about.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:53 am to Chad504boy
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Okay. DO me a favor.
Sure thing... I'll get right on it.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:56 am to Riverwood
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Sure thing... I'll get right on it.
It'll end up 10-3. So what do you make of that?
Posted on 12/27/11 at 10:05 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 12/27/11 at 10:12 am to Riverwood
Dude. 10-3. What do you think buddy? You want to cry about it so talk up buddy.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 10:17 am to Chad504boy
LOL, GFY... forum crusader.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 10:22 am to Riverwood
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LOL, GFY... forum crusader.
LMAO OMG GN2S SF DMF IBBCBAA
Posted on 12/27/11 at 10:27 am to skidmark
Yards per attempt is virtually unchanged from 1984 to today (7.1 vs 7.2--and 1983 was 7.2...). Attempts per game were ~32 per game in 1984 vs ~34 per game today. Those two attempts don't explain it all, though. Today's QBs complete ~60% of their passes, vs ~56% in 1984. This added accuracy also shows up in int%--~2% today vs ~4% in 1984.
Rules changes don't account for all of it. In 84, offenses were built differently. More deep passing, especially. Yes, the rules have changed things slightly in the last 27 years, but it is not as drastic as the talking heads want to make you think.
Oh, and one more thing, when you compare Marino's record season to the average QB in 1984 and do the same with Drew vs the average QB this year, you'll find that Drew's delta is higher than Marino's, both in absolute and in relative measurements. That should silence the bullshite trying to downplay the significance of this acheivement.
Rules changes don't account for all of it. In 84, offenses were built differently. More deep passing, especially. Yes, the rules have changed things slightly in the last 27 years, but it is not as drastic as the talking heads want to make you think.
Oh, and one more thing, when you compare Marino's record season to the average QB in 1984 and do the same with Drew vs the average QB this year, you'll find that Drew's delta is higher than Marino's, both in absolute and in relative measurements. That should silence the bullshite trying to downplay the significance of this acheivement.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 10:29 am to Sophandros
The game of football has evolved into a more passing league with the development of schemes and offenses. I don't think it's entirely strictly about rule changes. In any case it's not like Drew is edging the record by 10 yards, he's knocking it out the park.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 10:31 am to Sophandros
Oh, and qbs averaged 206 yards per game in 1984, vs 229 today. Much of that is due purely to increased, which is a function of more efficient systems.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 11:07 am to skidmark
While true, brees is 98 yards above todays average.
Marino was 95 yards above his average.
About the same..
Marino was 95 yards above his average.
About the same..
Posted on 12/27/11 at 11:10 am to Riverwood
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If it's so much easier, why in the hell has the record stood for twenty fricking seven years?
tru dat. defenses are a bit faster and stronger today too. people forget that.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:48 pm to sheek
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tru dat. defenses are a bit faster and stronger today too. people forget that.
Explain that to "THE HALL MONITOR"...
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