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Roux making question

Posted on 12/16/11 at 6:47 am
Posted by HoustonsTiger
Houston
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 6:47 am
I know there are a few threads on gumbo / roux making. My question is a bit specific that I didn't see answered anywhere else.

I plan on making gumbo for the first time and have done a good bit of research on different types of roux, but there seems to be some variance in what the consistency should be. Some places I look it appears to not be very thick where other places it seems to have a consistency like peanut butter or something. Is it a fair assumption to make that the thicker the roux consistency (ie more flour per oil ratio) the thicker the gumbo will be? Also, is there such thing as "too thick"? Thanks in advance and happy holidays to all.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 7:04 am to
I like equal parts of flour and oil. I think the thickness of the roux often has to do with its temp...cooler equals thicker. The real consistency issue ,for me, is the thickness of the gumbo. When I cook one, I usually pull up a Prudhomme recipe and multiply volumes for the size I'm making.
Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 7:09 am to
Is there such a thing as too thick? Yes, I have been served gumbos that would substitute for spackling compound.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 7:14 am to
When Gris Gris wakes up she'll straighten all of this out.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 7:15 am to
thickness is going to look different based on heat. What makes a gumbo thicker is going to be the ratio of finished roux to stock. Yes, a gumbo can be too thick.
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 7:22 am to
I went to a New Years Eve Partay many moons ago where the host(in ABBEVILLE for the Dark Ones amusement) had a large pot of gumbo to be eaten. I took one whiff of it and said this shite is rotten. Every person that consumed it, was ill for about three-four days.
Posted by HoustonsTiger
Houston
Member since Feb 2007
388 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 8:18 am to
Thanks for all the feedback so far. Maybe I didn't phrase my OP very well. I know that gumbo can be to thick, but I guess my question is more in-line with another post in here stating how do you know how much of a "thick" roux to add to a volume of stock to thicken it up. Anyone have any rules of thumb? Also, I don't plan on using okra (which I heard can act as a thickening agent) so is there anything else that acts as a thickener in a traditional chicken/sausage gumbo? I've heard file powder goes a long way in small doses.
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 8:28 am to
I usually just cook a large batch of roux, and use what appears to be necessary for the job. But I would suggest a one cup of oil/flour/ one cup or a bit more of trinity per gallon.
Posted by chud
Vienna, Va
Member since Oct 2007
639 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 8:30 am to
i use equal parts flour to oil. the roux thickens the darker it gets so if you get it the color of an old penny (like my dad liked) it will be a little thick and not watery at all. if you get it the color of dark chocolate, it will be very thick, not quite as thick as peanut butter, but you have to drag your roux stirrer through it. once you throw in the veggies to stop it cooking it will congeal into a god awful mess.

file is a traditional thickener. do NOT use it until the gumbo is plated up, i.e. in the bowl. if you put it in the pot you will ruin the gumbo.
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 8:31 am to
More of how much roux you use than the thickness of the roux..

Also understand that a the darker the roux the less it will thicken the gumbo.
You can always add more roux and I always make more than I need.

But the darker roux has a better flavor
Posted by BreadPudding
Member since Jul 2009
64 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 8:37 am to
For each whole chicken (approx. 5 lb.): 1.5 cups of oil, 1.5 cups of flour, 7 cups to 1 gallon of stock.

I worked this ratio out last month when I was making a very large gumbo, using Prudhomme and Folse's recipes. It worked out to be a medium thick dark roux.

If you don't mind wasting a little flour, oil, and diced veggies, just make more than you think you'll need and reserve 1/4 to thicken.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 8:41 am to
quote:

file is a traditional thickener. do NOT use it until the gumbo is plated up, i.e. in the bowl. if you put it in the pot you will ruin the gumbo.


This is an old wives tale. I cook probably fifty gumbo's a year, all with file' because I do not eat okra and I put my file' in the pot for the last thirty minutes of cooking. Make a slurry of your file' with some of the stock, add and stir in well so it doesn't lump. Let it cook for another half hour and it will thicken and gives it a nice sheen.

If it lumps mash on the side of the pot and stir in.


Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
50089 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 8:54 am to
quote:

file is a traditional thickener. do NOT use it until the gumbo is plated up, i.e. in the bowl. if you put it in the pot you will ruin the gumbo.




This is an old wives tale
Correct. Put it in when you adjust seasonings.
Posted by chud
Vienna, Va
Member since Oct 2007
639 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 8:56 am to
quote:

This is an old wives tale. I cook probably fifty gumbo's a year, all with file' because I do not eat okra and I put my file' in the pot for the last thirty minutes of cooking


seriously? well i'll be damned. i'd never even dared to try it - been told all my life it would f up the gumbo. i'm gonna give that a try on my next pot.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15839 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 9:12 am to
A few opinions on this.

Thickness of roux DOES NOT equal thickness of gumbo. The amount of stock you use will dictate how thick the gumbo is. Learning the difference of cooking with the lid on and off will also helo you fine tune your gumbo thickness.

A darker roux is not necessarily a more runny roux.

I like a thicker roux. Not peanut butter thick. But thick enough where it wouldn't easily fall off a wooden spoon.

This requires more flour than oil in your ratio. IMO it leades to a less 'greasy' gumbo, and keeps me from having to skin fat off the top (unless I'm using very fatty sausage).

I also prefer a darker AND thicker roux w chicken and a little less dark and less thick for seafood.

Posted by HoustonsTiger
Houston
Member since Feb 2007
388 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 9:13 am to
Thanks for the tips on the file - will keep that in mind.

It sounds like the roux consistency is determined by the oil/flour ratio and only the darkness is really altered by cooking times - is this a pretty basic summary?

I was under the impression that the longer it cooked the darker and also the thicker it got...
Posted by Bojangles
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
2088 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 9:18 am to
If you are making gumbo for the first time, do yourself a favor and buy a gumbo base mix from the store.
As long as your other ingredients alright you will not be disappointed.
I cook gumbo all the time, sometimes I make a homemade roux, other times I buy mix from the store.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 9:18 am to
How thick the finished product comes our have more to do with the color of the roux and not the thickness of it. The lighter the roux the thicker the gumbo. I like a dark thick gumbo so I just use more roux.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 9:26 am to
quote:

seriously? well i'll be damned. i'd never even dared to try it - been told all my life it would f up the gumbo. i'm gonna give that a try on my next pot.


It's always been said if cooked it gives it a bitter taste which I have found is not true. Sometimes you have to go against conventional wisdom and if it works great, if it doesn't it's a pot of food. Start over.

Now go scrub that cast iron dutch oven with a soapy Brillo pad and make a gumbo. Drink a crappy bottle of wine while doing so.

Cook on...
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15839 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 9:29 am to
quote:

I was under the impression that the longer it cooked the darker and also the thicker it got...


It does get darker and thicker. The oil is incorporating with the flour more. But to get a 'thick' roux, I think you need more flour than oil.

Learning to cook roux is a little tricky at first. You don't want to burn it, so you keep the temp down, and it takes forever.

Be brave. Grab a cast iron skillet and put it on your burner at med hi heat. Put in your oil and flour and stir immediately and continue stirring on med hi to hi heat until it's the color you want.

Then reduce the heat down to medium, maybe a little less, and add the trinity. And don't stop stirring. (I add the okra w the trinity). When everything is sauteed (maybe 3-4 mins) add garlic. Another 2 or 3 mins. Then add your stock.

I use this process for all my gumbos. The only thing that changes is the color of roux, thickness of roux, the type of stock and the main ingredients.
This post was edited on 12/16/11 at 9:31 am
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