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For you ex-o linemen or anyone else who may know
Posted on 12/14/11 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 12/14/11 at 9:52 pm
Does having a bunch of running backs with different skill sets affect the o line in a positive or negative way? Does it make them block any differently than if there was a premier back?
For what its worth, i love having this many stud backs that can do it all
For what its worth, i love having this many stud backs that can do it all
Posted on 12/14/11 at 9:55 pm to WhiskeyBusiness
i wouldn't think so, but idk
Posted on 12/14/11 at 10:00 pm to fightingtigers98
As a former pulling guard, the offense may change but the blocking scheme doesn't in most offenses.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 10:00 pm to WhiskeyBusiness
No.
No.
fwiw-agree.
No.
fwiw-agree.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 10:07 pm to WhiskeyBusiness
all good running backs know how to read and adapt to their blocks. lineman don't adapt to the ball carrier. it's either take what i'm giving you or gtfo
Posted on 12/14/11 at 10:25 pm to lsudat10
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all good running backs know how to read and adapt to their blocks. lineman don't adapt to the ball carrier. it's either take what i'm giving you or gtfo
This^
Though some running backs can come off the bench and add a "spark" which can provide mo a unit can feed off of, the scheme doesn't change....just the emotional intensity of the moment.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 10:36 pm to WhiskeyBusiness
RB and O-line timing is probably one of the most undervalued concepts amongst casual football fans. Changing RB's throughout the game doesn't effect the O-line at all because as one poster already mentioned we do our thing it's their job to learn what timing works best on what play. Some plays just take longer to develop and the RB needs to be patient and others are only open for a quick second and if the back doesn't nail it just right it closes back up. This timing comes with experience and repetitions. With that being said theoretically multiple backs can come in and the rhythm of the running game not be disturbed as long as each back has a good feel for each type of play being called. In reality I do think it is tough, which may be one explanation of the "hot hand" theory. It is why one back looks so good one week and another the next in our offense. Sometimes that rhythm is there from the first carry and sometimes it's just not and may take a few carries before it can be established. I do know it is frustrating when a play is blocked perfectly and the backs timing is off just a little and a big gain is missed out on. Anytime a back is running up the backs of his O-line trust me in the huddle the big uglies are telling him to be a little more patient.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 11:02 pm to WhiskeyBusiness
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Does having a bunch of running backs with different skill sets affect the o line in a positive or negative way? Does it make them block any differently than if there was a premier back?
For what its worth, i love having this many stud backs that can do it all
It is taxing on the OL to have lots of different run schemes, but as far as individual backs - there is a much greater difference with the cadence, snap count and the way a QB moves around in the pocket under pressure, than for various runners' "styles".
Most OL prefer run blocking to begin with, because they get to tee off and dish out some punishment - be "proactive". Their main job in run blocking is to drive a defender out of a spot, and sometimes at a particular angle to create "the hole", or for defenders further away to stick to him so he cannot pursue or close the hole. Additionally, particularly guards and the center on some plays - a quick block, then get to the next level to get on a LBer (or more rarely, a safety), depending on the play.
However, having various runners cycle in and out does not normally alter or affect the OL very much.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 11:08 pm to BeastmodeTiger
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This timing comes with experience and repetitions. With that being said theoretically multiple backs can come in and the rhythm of the running game not be disturbed as long as each back has a good feel for each type of play being called.
This is a key point - if you have a great space player at the RB position (a hybrid HB/WR, I like to call them) and you try to run him inside, he has to get a feel for the plays and the timing of the hole. That's why you see many of the fail to get the tough yards between the tackles. It's not so much size (certainly not as important as toughness, Dalton Hilliard and Walter Payton were tough as nails without carrying significant tonnage) as it is timing, attitude and toughness between the tackles.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 11:11 pm to Ace Midnight
Having different backs really only affects the play calling and not the chemistry. Of course I just made that up and really don't have a clue. Really.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 11:31 pm to WhiskeyBusiness
You don't block differently for different RBs. You either pass block or run block. Different schemes may help different backs (cross block, pulling guard, etc.), but that's about it.
Blocking is simply taking the defender out of the play. Just have to know where to be and who to look for. The RBs do the rest.
Blocking is simply taking the defender out of the play. Just have to know where to be and who to look for. The RBs do the rest.
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 11:35 pm
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