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The BCS MANIPULATION
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:21 am
Never before has CFB ever seen this exact situation. For those of you who say, " There is a first time for everything.", I dont believe you will ever see it again. No, the BCS will at least get tweaked this off season. Why? Look at the possible end results of which there can only be two:
1). LSU wins BCSCG, OSU wins its bowl or not, the rest of the country still hating on an all SEC BCSCG game.
2). Bama wins, possible split title, and LSU will have more wins on the season being SEC champs and having beaten the BCS champs at their house. The series for the year will be 1-1.
The spin doctors and the bama supporters such as ESPN have said all along that the "BCS got it right in that the 2 best teams will be meeting in the BCSNCG". Well thats debatable, yes we play defense in the SEC like no other conference but other conferences have real offenses. Bottom line until there is a playoff and games are settled on the field one cannot be 100% sure of who is better.
That debate aside, the BCS, on its own website says nothing about matching the 2 best teams. Here is what it says:
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The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game showcase of college football. It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game
What all CFB fans have always heard from the media and its various talking heads through out the past seasons are terms like, "Entire Body of Work" and "Regular Season Counts" and "Regular Season is the playoffs". According to the BCS's own website, they were correct in saying that. Here is what the BCS says:
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This robust system of post-season bowl games offers rewards for teams and places a great premium on the regular season.
I think we know how this happened. After all, bama is the #2 team in the BCS. But it sure is curious how bama retained its #2 ranking after OSU blew the doors off of OU. Especially in a weekend that bama didnt even play a game. Were the voters influenced by the bama media bias? I think we can all agree, ESPN couldnt have done anything else to push bama into the BCS championship game. Has any other head coach gotten that much air time in that type of situation?
Then there are the computers. Some polls use preseason rankings in their formula. Some dont even publish there formula like that of the Sagarin Poll. If there was to be investigation....the poll formulas would be a great place to start.
In any event, the BCS system obviously can be manipulated. Judging by the mysterious computer polls and how some of the voters in the Harris and Coaches Poll voted, I believe it was.
With that as a given the question is why? Never before have we ever seen this type of ESPN push to influence a matchup. Ratings cannot be the only reason. The BCSNCG will be the only game on TV at that time. Another matchup would have also gotten good ratings.
BTW, LSU rightfully plays the disrespect card here and wins by two scores. 28-17. Proving once again....be careful what you wish for.
BCS Website
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 10:25 am
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:24 am to MoreOrLes
I think this is ESPN creating as much controversy as they can because they will now use this to push for a 4 team playoff.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:26 am to SG_Geaux
Ive said all along.......as usual its money. ive mentioned they maybe trying to get bama to let them do a Crimson Tide Network like the one Texas has.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 10:27 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:28 am to MoreOrLes
Tl;dr
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:30 am to MoreOrLes
I'm all for a 4 or 8 team playoff, but they also need to dump the polls and computers and put together a selection committee.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:30 am to SG_Geaux
If Texas or OU would have had the same resume as OSU, they would be in the NCG. The whole media push was a slap in the face of OSU players, coaches and the Big 12. And I am one that wanted to play Bama again.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:31 am to SG_Geaux
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I think this is ESPN creating as much controversy as they can because they will now use this to push for a 4 team playoff.
I don't know.
Now that ESPN literally owns the BCS, therefore, they own college football, you are going to see them do all they can to get the traditional media darlings into play every year from here on out.
Keep in mind Bama has the worst resume of a team to ever play in the BCSNCG. There was a whole lot of spinning and manipulating going on the past two weeks in order to get Bama in this game.
This is not going to end well for CFB, in general. ESPN is looking out for ESPN, and no one else.
Just wait until USC is off of probation....
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:32 am to lctiger
Make no mistake, its also a slap in the face to the coaches and players of LSU.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:33 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Keep in mind Bama has the worst resume of a team to ever play in the BCSNCG. There was a whole lot of spinning and manipulating going on the past two weeks in order to get Bama in this game.
This is not going to end well for CFB, in general. ESPN is looking out for ESPN, and no one else.
I agree
BTW you will notice how this thread will have very little gump responses. They really cant argue with the BCS's own website
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:34 am to SG_Geaux
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I think this is ESPN creating as much controversy as they can because they will now use this to push for a 4 team playoff.
The media loves the BCS! The national media has pretty much 24/7 air time to fill. With out the controversy of the BCS what are they going to talk about? If we had a fair play off system they would have tons of dead air time! Controversy sells commercials, especially if they play both sides of the argument.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:34 am to MoreOrLes
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Make no mistake, its also a slap in the face to the coaches and players of LSU.
actually you can say the only thing Bama had going for them is that LSU is so good and they played us close so they must be good too.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:40 am to lctiger
The Quality of a Loss argument is directly oppositional to the "Entire Body Of Work".
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:41 am to INFIDEL
I am starting to wonder if the executives of espn are Bama grads
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:42 am to SG_Geaux
There are alot of theories as to why. Let me paraphrase, or summarize rather, a few of them Ive gathered from different sources.
1-Alabama is a "traditional power". Had OK State's exact season been duplicated by OU, or USC or ND, they would have made it. But seeing as none of those schools were in contention, Alabama had the strongest "brand" of what was left, and therefore would be the biggest story.
2-The Big 10/Big 12/Pac 12 media crowd want to shatter the SEC dominated BCS. This theory states that people from these conferences now working in the media are jealous of the SEC and want a split title again to push for a playoff to try to benefit their vag like conferences. Rece Davis and Brad Edwards are either in on it or being worked, either way they are placated because Bama gets a title shot.
3-Disney wants a playoff system so they can broadcast the games. This one seems almost common sense true (i.e.-companies want to make money) and they have instructed their employees to sway media perception to (a) discredit the BCS and (b) use their self created discrediting of the BCS to push for a playoff so they can buy the broadcast rights.
Im not saying I believe any of these nor am I saying I dont, but those are the three theories I have heard about this.
1-Alabama is a "traditional power". Had OK State's exact season been duplicated by OU, or USC or ND, they would have made it. But seeing as none of those schools were in contention, Alabama had the strongest "brand" of what was left, and therefore would be the biggest story.
2-The Big 10/Big 12/Pac 12 media crowd want to shatter the SEC dominated BCS. This theory states that people from these conferences now working in the media are jealous of the SEC and want a split title again to push for a playoff to try to benefit their vag like conferences. Rece Davis and Brad Edwards are either in on it or being worked, either way they are placated because Bama gets a title shot.
3-Disney wants a playoff system so they can broadcast the games. This one seems almost common sense true (i.e.-companies want to make money) and they have instructed their employees to sway media perception to (a) discredit the BCS and (b) use their self created discrediting of the BCS to push for a playoff so they can buy the broadcast rights.
Im not saying I believe any of these nor am I saying I dont, but those are the three theories I have heard about this.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:44 am to Tacoma Tiger
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I'm all for a 4 or 8 team playoff, but they also need to dump the polls and computers and put together a selection committee.
No chance for corruption there, huh?
I have a better idea - 4 16 team conferences - Southeast, Central/South Central, Upper Midwest and Northeast.
Win your conference, get seeded - play in a (currently BCS) bowl to qualify for the +1.
This isn't all that complicated.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:44 am to SLTiger29
Those sound good but why this season. I dont ever remember ESPN lobbying that hard for a team in the past.
If Im correct about that, the reason has something to do with bama.
If Im correct about that, the reason has something to do with bama.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:46 am to MoreOrLes
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Make no mistake, its also a slap in the face to the coaches and players of LSU.
Which is all the more reason for the Tigers go out and pound the shite out of Bama on 1/9...
I think JJ plays the typical bowl game of his life like he has the past couple years and LSU completely assrapes the Tide
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:47 am to dreaux
All we heard before nov 5th is that game was an elimination as was Stanford/Oregon and OSU/OU. We also heard that for their to be any chance of a rematch, lsu would have to lose a close one on their home field for it to have any chance at all.
Lsu with the hardest OC schedule, beats Bama at bama, division champs, beats Georgia at Georgia, sec champs. And our reward is to play a 1 loss team that lost to us on their field even though they have played no one and lost to us.
Awesome
Lsu with the hardest OC schedule, beats Bama at bama, division champs, beats Georgia at Georgia, sec champs. And our reward is to play a 1 loss team that lost to us on their field even though they have played no one and lost to us.
Awesome
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:49 am to MoreOrLes
Of course it appears there was some manipulation. Everything that experts said needed to happen in order for Oklahoma State to vault Bama in the final standings happened. Clemson blew the doors off VT. OSU crushed OU. Stanford and Bama sat idle. LSU destroying UGA was supposed to be inconsequential.
The difference can't be that Iowa State lost its final game of the season, can it? Shouldn't OSU's flogging of OU have shown that the 2OT loss was a fluke? How much of this was political pressure from ESPN and how much of it was cronyism? Since we only know the algorithm for one of the six polls, how do we know the BCS rankings are even accurate at all? The BCS doesn't even know and has to take the computer polls on good faith.
The difference can't be that Iowa State lost its final game of the season, can it? Shouldn't OSU's flogging of OU have shown that the 2OT loss was a fluke? How much of this was political pressure from ESPN and how much of it was cronyism? Since we only know the algorithm for one of the six polls, how do we know the BCS rankings are even accurate at all? The BCS doesn't even know and has to take the computer polls on good faith.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:49 am to Oyster
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The media loves the BCS! The national media has pretty much 24/7 air time to fill. With out the controversy of the BCS what are they going to talk about? If we had a fair play off system they would have tons of dead air time! Controversy sells commercials, especially if they play both sides of the argument.
What is funny to me is that the media/humans hold the majority of the power in the overall BCS system, yet blame the computers every single time they change the unwritten rules to benefit a media darling. I had a long rant about this a week ago:
Media Manipulating BCS Standars for Entitled Teams/Media Darlings
This is really all you need to know about what is going on, IMHO.
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