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Braided Line - low pound test
Posted on 12/1/11 at 8:30 am
Posted on 12/1/11 at 8:30 am
The Sportsman's questions on fishing line got me thinking about something...
My main rods have braid, one with 10 and one with 20 pound braid. When i lived in South Louisiana i would frequently fish either bass or reds/specks. With that scenario I couldn't imagine throwing anything lower than 10 pound braid which i considered a minimum for toothy specks.
Now that I live in South Arkansas I am pretty much exclusively fishing bass. I am wondering how low of a pound test can I go with the braided line? From memory I can't remember ever having any issues where the 10# broke off without heavy fraying of the line or just a bad knot. I am pretty sure i could drop down to 8, or maybe even 6 but I haven't tried it yet.
Does anyone fish a very low pound test braid in fresh water?
The main structures that i fish are trees (both standing timber and lay downs) and lily pads.
My main rods have braid, one with 10 and one with 20 pound braid. When i lived in South Louisiana i would frequently fish either bass or reds/specks. With that scenario I couldn't imagine throwing anything lower than 10 pound braid which i considered a minimum for toothy specks.
Now that I live in South Arkansas I am pretty much exclusively fishing bass. I am wondering how low of a pound test can I go with the braided line? From memory I can't remember ever having any issues where the 10# broke off without heavy fraying of the line or just a bad knot. I am pretty sure i could drop down to 8, or maybe even 6 but I haven't tried it yet.
Does anyone fish a very low pound test braid in fresh water?
The main structures that i fish are trees (both standing timber and lay downs) and lily pads.
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Posted on 12/1/11 at 8:41 am to computerguy
If your fishing with spinning tackle you are good with the light weight stuff. But if you try to put anything below 20lb on a baitcaster it will give you trouble with digging in the spool. Either way I hope you're using flouro leader material up there in that beautiful clear water,good luck.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 8:41 am to computerguy
I use 80lb braid. I think the diameter is like 15-17lb mono
Posted on 12/1/11 at 8:43 am to The Sportsman
Damn, all this fishing talk is making me want to go bad. I have some family members who have been wearing the bass out.
Damn work.
I only use braid on my topwater rods. It doesn't cast well enough for me to use it for any of my lighter baits or ones that require precision casts.
Damn work.
I only use braid on my topwater rods. It doesn't cast well enough for me to use it for any of my lighter baits or ones that require precision casts.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 8:45 am to computerguy
Most that fish pads and timber use 60lb braid. I only use 10lb and 20lb on spinning reels.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 9:03 am to Devious
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Most that fish pads and timber use 60lb braid. I only use 10lb and 20lb on spinning reels.
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I only fish spinning gear so I am with you on the 10&20.
Just curious if anyone threw something crazy like 4# braid and had any experience?
During the summer i had fun with one rod and rigged it up with 8# mono and a light black and yellow beetle. Was a blast catching a ton of little bass and perch. I may just leave the main rods intact and swap my light mono rig for a low # braid (something in the 4-6# class).The only issue is that every so often a decent bass would grab it and I had some break offs. I would guess they were bass in the 2 pound range. Pretty sure braid would have held them, I really hate mono sometimes...only issue is the clear lakes up here prevent me from fishing all braid.
Most that fish pads and timber use 60lb braid. I only use 10lb and 20lb on spinning reels.
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I only fish spinning gear so I am with you on the 10&20.
Just curious if anyone threw something crazy like 4# braid and had any experience?
During the summer i had fun with one rod and rigged it up with 8# mono and a light black and yellow beetle. Was a blast catching a ton of little bass and perch. I may just leave the main rods intact and swap my light mono rig for a low # braid (something in the 4-6# class).The only issue is that every so often a decent bass would grab it and I had some break offs. I would guess they were bass in the 2 pound range. Pretty sure braid would have held them, I really hate mono sometimes...only issue is the clear lakes up here prevent me from fishing all braid.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 9:16 am to computerguy
Your line breaking could be a result of a few different things - line age and condition, drag setting, etc. It's pretty easy for a nice fish to put enough strain on light line to snap it.
I usually keep my drag around 30% of line strength and have no problems landing fish.
I usually keep my drag around 30% of line strength and have no problems landing fish.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 9:41 am to Devious
Yeah my breakages in that situation were just out of laziness. When i am fishing perch I either just don't care or don't check since the hookup rate is pretty quick. (similar to the way it happens when you are in a school of specks)
My real curiosity is if 4-6 pound braid would be a suitable line strength for fairly open water bass fishing. Something that could hold a 2-5 pound bass with consistency and not break off. (assuming that you have a good knot)
My real curiosity is if 4-6 pound braid would be a suitable line strength for fairly open water bass fishing. Something that could hold a 2-5 pound bass with consistency and not break off. (assuming that you have a good knot)
Posted on 12/1/11 at 9:55 am to computerguy
I have had issues with tying decent, reliable knots at those extremely low diameters. I would look into the new Berkley line called Nanofil. It has similar line diameter to strength ratios as braid and has some more favorable qualities of mono. It only comes up to 12lb test, otherwise I would have spooled up with it already. It is supposed to be some pretty awesome stuff.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 10:05 am to computerguy
Interesting thread.
Manufactures label line with the breaking point on a direct tinsel strength test. Thus 6 lb test mono, fluro, and braid are all expected to break at a tinsel stress greater than 6 lbs.
The differnces in abrasion resistance, knot integrety, density, visiblity, memory, and flexibility are the real issue amongst line types at the same lb test.
Manufactures label line with the breaking point on a direct tinsel strength test. Thus 6 lb test mono, fluro, and braid are all expected to break at a tinsel stress greater than 6 lbs.
The differnces in abrasion resistance, knot integrety, density, visiblity, memory, and flexibility are the real issue amongst line types at the same lb test.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 10:06 am to computerguy
I use really small stuff on my spinning rig for wacky. I use a mono leader. Have never broken the braid.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 10:31 am to The Last Coco
I have had issues with tying decent, reliable knots at those extremely low diameters. I would look into the new Berkley line called Nanofil. It has similar line diameter to strength ratios as braid and has some more favorable qualities of mono. It only comes up to 12lb test, otherwise I would have spooled up with it already. It is supposed to be some pretty awesome stuff. "The Last Coco"
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Thanks, this looks like the solution i am looking for.
Reading the post above that makes sense that in a vacuum the 6 pound braid and mono should both break at the same pressure.
In my experience with mono no matter how much you try it always seems that mono will have a nick in it somewhere and the old saying you are only as strong as the weakest link comes to play. Mono also seems to snap with just the lightest touch to structure and also is prone to the "Lip Rip" where the line will rub across the little teeth on the front of the basses lip and pop. Braid seems to be pretty tough, even with some fray on it, it will hold up which is why most of us love it.
I may have to pickup some 6# braid and some nanofil and test them out.
For me I am really looking for something with a extreme low diameter so i can throw very light lures or just get some great casting distance out of generally light lures. Example would be a weightless wacky worm. It is one thing to throw a senko where it has a lot of weight but a typical trick worm won't fly that far without help. Too bad the winter pattern is starting to set in...I may have to wait to March to really test it.
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Thanks, this looks like the solution i am looking for.
Reading the post above that makes sense that in a vacuum the 6 pound braid and mono should both break at the same pressure.
In my experience with mono no matter how much you try it always seems that mono will have a nick in it somewhere and the old saying you are only as strong as the weakest link comes to play. Mono also seems to snap with just the lightest touch to structure and also is prone to the "Lip Rip" where the line will rub across the little teeth on the front of the basses lip and pop. Braid seems to be pretty tough, even with some fray on it, it will hold up which is why most of us love it.
I may have to pickup some 6# braid and some nanofil and test them out.
For me I am really looking for something with a extreme low diameter so i can throw very light lures or just get some great casting distance out of generally light lures. Example would be a weightless wacky worm. It is one thing to throw a senko where it has a lot of weight but a typical trick worm won't fly that far without help. Too bad the winter pattern is starting to set in...I may have to wait to March to really test it.
This post was edited on 12/1/11 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/1/11 at 10:42 am to computerguy
If you are looking for low diameter/ lb test, high abrasion resistance, in a clear line you should try some of the newer flouros.
Knot strength is less usually, due to the slipperiness of the surface of the flouro and in some instances (cold weather) even the newer flouros can get stiff butthis is less noticable in the lower lb lines.
be warned unlike mono and braid flouro sinks.
Knot strength is less usually, due to the slipperiness of the surface of the flouro and in some instances (cold weather) even the newer flouros can get stiff butthis is less noticable in the lower lb lines.
be warned unlike mono and braid flouro sinks.
This post was edited on 12/1/11 at 10:43 am
Posted on 12/1/11 at 10:50 am to computerguy
All this fishing talk is getting me antsy! Can pre-spawn get here already!
Posted on 12/1/11 at 10:51 am to Bleeding purple
I will have to checkout the flouro lines as well. Is the 'sink' noticeable or does it cause any issues?
Posted on 12/1/11 at 11:07 am to computerguy
It causes issues if you are using anything topwater because it causes the line to bow and sink between you and the bait. It is usually not enough to pull the bait down, but it will certainly effect the action of a bait due to the drag on the line and the direction of the pull. I also think repeatedly sipping the line out of the water instead of just off the surface makes a sound that the fish do not like. This affects hookset too especially when fishing with a bobber.
On the other hand for sinking baits it helps them get down to depth slighty quicker and is the prefered line for deep crankbaiting due small diameter producing less drag, near invisiblity under water, and sinking ability.
Braid and flouro also have nearly zero stretch which allows better sensitivity and more secure hooksets. With cranks though you can pull it through their lips.
On the other hand for sinking baits it helps them get down to depth slighty quicker and is the prefered line for deep crankbaiting due small diameter producing less drag, near invisiblity under water, and sinking ability.
Braid and flouro also have nearly zero stretch which allows better sensitivity and more secure hooksets. With cranks though you can pull it through their lips.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 11:19 am to The Last Coco
quote:No shite. Weather'll be nice this weekend...
All this fishing talk is getting me antsy!
Posted on 12/1/11 at 12:22 pm to The Last Coco
quote:that's why I've been starting stupid threads... I want to get people talking. Been catching some nice bass lately. Kinda curious how this cold snap is gonna affect em though
All this fishing talk is getting me antsy! Can pre-spawn get here already!
Posted on 12/1/11 at 12:26 pm to The Sportsman
If you start respooling those reels, by the time you finish, it'll be prime time.
Posted on 12/1/11 at 12:31 pm to Devious
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Message Posted by Devious If you start respooling those reels, by the time you finish, it'll be prime time.
I LOVE my loomis crankbait rod. I'm buying another one after Christmas. Do you have any thoughts on the deep flex vs the 843? I have? Caught a 4lber last week on it and did well 
Eta: my next one will be for south la "deep divers"
8-10'This post was edited on 12/1/11 at 12:35 pm
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