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re: Official BCS Discussion Thread
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:12 pm to Hot Carl
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:12 pm to Hot Carl
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If there was a movement to put OSU over them, it would have at least started by now.
Here is another thing I don't get. Why do people think what ESPN is force feeding the masses is what is happening behind the scenes?
No offense-but do you really believe Coaches give a shite what ESPN and those idiots who for the most part (with a few exceptions) can't hack it as coaches at any level are talking about 24 hours a day?
What national ESPN media is yapping about and really going on behind the scenes are two different animals completely.
Some of those idiots on ESPN are just tv personalities that don't know any more than most of us, and in a lot of cases less. To me it is about the equivalent as celebrities using their exposure to telivision to try and run political campaigns for candidates. I don't give a shite who they want people to vote for, and sure as hell don't think Lou Holtz, Brad Edwards, Vern Lundquist and those other goofballs influence any real AP voters.
This post was edited on 11/27/11 at 12:16 pm
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:12 pm to C
quote:none whatsoever.
With VT playing quality opponent this weekend, is their no chance overcome Bama it the computers?
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:13 pm to Hot Carl
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that's how it should be.
Outright champions of BCS conferences should be ranked ahead of teams with equal losses but no championship
Was this your stance before this scenario played out? Would it be if we had lost 9-6 in overtime?
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:13 pm to Hot Carl
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If Bama is a unanimous #2, I think a rematch is guaranteed. If there was a movement to put OSU over them, it would have at least started by now. No chance enough voters change their minds in 1 week.
seriously?
osu didnt even play this week and they have what every voter considers at least a top 10 team in oklahoma next week. they blow them out, then things get real interesting real fast
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:14 pm to TygerB8
South Carolina's bitch slapping of Clemson doesn't reflect well on their conference. Virginia Tech shouldn't be taken seriously, imv.
I hope someone in the national media takes up the Cowboy's cause. That and a strong performance against OU might do it.
I hope someone in the national media takes up the Cowboy's cause. That and a strong performance against OU might do it.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:14 pm to Hot Carl
169 out of 170 voters last week put Bama #2. Even if the margin was the same (which I don't think it will be, Alabama made up the ground in the other 2 computers like I said last week and split them. The margin should be greater) 40 votes or more would be needed to turn. There aren't even enough in Big 12 country to be homers and throw off the BCS.
They would have to ask other regions to help them out and who is going to do that?
Pac 12 country? Their upcoming champ got blown out by the SEC
ACC country? After this weekend, the best of the ACC went down big against the SEC
Big 10 country? They know the SEC is the best.
There's no region in the country that is going to say the SEC and Alabama is not a supreme #2.
They would have to ask other regions to help them out and who is going to do that?
Pac 12 country? Their upcoming champ got blown out by the SEC
ACC country? After this weekend, the best of the ACC went down big against the SEC
Big 10 country? They know the SEC is the best.
There's no region in the country that is going to say the SEC and Alabama is not a supreme #2.
This post was edited on 11/27/11 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:15 pm to Hot Carl
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Was this your stance before this scenario played out? Would it be if we had lost 9-6 in overtime?
As an LSU fan, I would obviously want the rematch.
As a rational college football fan, I would value conference champions over non-conference champions with equal losses.
I don't blame the Alabama fans for pushing for a rematch, but their argument is pretty weak when all the resumes are viewed objectively.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:16 pm to DA
It's going to be a bit of a show of how much weight ESPN really has if the rest of the media starts taking Ok St case against ESPN and Alabama.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:18 pm to WikiTiger
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169 out of 170 voters last week put Bama #2. Even if the margin was the same (which I don't think it will be, Alabama made up the ground in the other 2 computers like I said last week and split them. The margin should be greater) 40 votes or more would be needed to turn. There aren't even enough in Big 12 country to be homers and thrown off the BCS.
Voters know that until the last week, this vote doesn't really mean much. Also, they haven't had a reason to get behind a team and have an "excuse" to bump a team over them. OSU winning big in Bedlam while Bama sitting at home watching the SEC championship on TV would give them that "excuse" to knock Bama from 2 and out of the national championship game.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:18 pm to RollTideRockStar
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Alabama made up the ground in the other 2 computers like I said last week and split them. The margin should be greater) 40 votes or more would be needed to turn.
That's only because OSU was idle. That'll flip back next weekend.
quote:
There's no region in the country that is going to say the SEC and Alabama is not a supreme #2
Yes there is .... every region that doesn't want an SEC vs. SEC team in the title game.
This post was edited on 11/27/11 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:21 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
exactly george
this jump to #3 is astronomically huge for osu. this jump today makes it "okay" for voters to bump them next week if they beat the shite out of OU, which they very well could
this jump to #3 is astronomically huge for osu. this jump today makes it "okay" for voters to bump them next week if they beat the shite out of OU, which they very well could
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:22 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Alabama made up the ground in the other 2 computers like I said last week and split them. The margin should be greater) 40 votes or more would be needed to turn.
That's only because OSU was idle. That'll flip back next weekend.
But that will be just to get back to where they once were. What they had to do, was stay where they were at and then shoot further to make up ground. Not going to happen now.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:23 pm to Hot Carl
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Was this your stance before this scenario played out? Would it be if we had lost 9-6 in overtime?
I look back at Nebraska (ie..when it wasn't my team). And I felt they should NOT be in the championship game.
So, I'd say the same here if LSU did not win their Division.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:25 pm to RollTideRockStar
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But that will be just to get back to where they once were. What they had to do, was stay where they were at and then shoot further to make up ground. Not going to happen now.
Not in the computers ... which is all we were talking about.
But clearly you don't get how the BCS works.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:27 pm to WikiTiger
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I don't blame the Alabama fans for pushing for a rematch, but their argument is pretty weak when all the resumes are viewed objectively.
Huh? Alabama fans have not pushed for anything. People like me have just stated was what going to happen 2 weeks ago. Most LSU fans just view it as "being a homer" rather than being able to do math. Not only that but also look at ALL sides and how the computers are going to take losses as well as wins into account. So far, it looks like Alabama fans are being PROVEN more right by the day. Jus' sayin'.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:28 pm to RollTideRockStar
quote:the frick are you talking about? OSU was already AHEAD of Bama in 4/6 comps. When they beat a top 10 OU team next week, they will take the 2 comps you stole this week BACK, plus 1 more, and the gap will be even larger because OSU will be a true #2.
But that will be just to get back to where they once were. What they had to do, was stay where they were at and then shoot further to make up ground. Not going to happen now.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:28 pm to DBG
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osu didnt even play this week and they have what every voter considers at least a top 10 team in oklahoma next week. they blow them out, then things get real interesting real fast
I just think this is wishful thinking. I am working on the hypothetical that Bama is the unanimous #2 in both the Coaches and the Harris Poll. I'm pretty sure Matt said that OSU had to have at least 25-30% of the #2 votes and all the #3 votes. They would have 0% of the 2s and will still be splitting 3s with Stanford.
Voters clearly think Bama is better than Oklahoma State. And I don't think a win over what would be a 9-3 Oklahoma without their best player is gonna do anything to change that opinion. So, there would have to be a significant movement to vote--not for who they think is the better team, that clearly is Bama--but AGAINST a rematch. I don't think that movement makes up enough ground in 1 week. I just don't. And I don't think it should. If you think Bama is the 2nd best team in college football, you fricking rank them #2. It doesn't matter if it's not the matchup you want. That's not your job. Your job is to rank teams, preferably by the same criteria you have been all season. Or at least, the same criteria you used only 7 days earlier.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:30 pm to RollTideRockStar
You dumb bro
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:31 pm to Hot Carl
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If you think Bama is the 2nd best team in college football, you fricking rank them #2. It doesn't matter if it's not the matchup you want. That's not your job. Your job is to rank teams, preferably by the same criteria you have been all season. Or at least, the same criteria you used only 7 days earlier.
Do you honestly think that an 11-1 Alabama who didn't even win their division deserves to be ranked higher than an 11-1 Okie St. that will have won their BCS conference OUTRIGHT (the highest ranked BCS conference, I should add) AND has a tougher schedule and a higher computer ranking than Alabama?
You honestly think that looking at the two resumes of those teams that Alabama still deserves to be #2?
Posted on 11/27/11 at 12:32 pm to Hot Carl
from the sec rant, a harris poll voter blog:
at least 1 voter is willing to entertain the notion of bumping osu next week
quote:
George Schroeder 11/27/11 12:32am Everything seems to be pointing toward an all-SEC BCS Championship game. LSU was very impressive in dismantling then-No. 3 Arkansas. Alabama rolled over rival Auburn (at Auburn). Oklahoma State was idle. Can the Cowboys -- I've got them No. 3 this week -- vault to No. 2 with a win over Oklahoma? I don't know. Not sure how I would vote if it happened. Alabama has been very impressive, and its only loss was to LSU in overtime. The Tide has a convincing win over Arkansas, and a nice win at Penn State. But the overall resume isn't fantastic; after LSU and Alabama (and if you must, go ahead and include Arkansas -- I'm not so sure) the SEC is waaaaay down. Frankly, the league is weak. That doesn't mean Alabama isn't very good. IT doesn't mean the nation's two best teams aren't sitting there in the SEC West. It just means it's harder to tell than usual. (I'm opposed, by the way, to the idea that a team can play for the national title without winning its conference. But it has happened before and ... there might be no other viable option.) Oklahoma State's loss to Iowa State is a potential killer. But if the Cowboys beat the Sooners on Saturday in Stillwater, their resume will be pretty nice. On the other hand, I watch their defense and shudder. One thing is for sure: We'll hear about what ought to be done all week long. I'll wait and see what happens next week before making up my mind. (Note: I would have USC, which has been as impressive as any team other than LSU down the stretch, ranked somewhere in the Top 10, but the Harris Poll doesn't allow teams on NCAA probation to be ranked by voters.) Here's my ballot:
at least 1 voter is willing to entertain the notion of bumping osu next week
This post was edited on 11/27/11 at 12:34 pm
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