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Rematches and "fairness"...rules of the BCS National Championship are laid out
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:53 pm
Prior to the season, the rules of the BCS National Championship were laid out.
They said that at seasons end, the team ranked No. 1 in the BCS rankings would play the team ranked No. 2 in the BCS rankings in a one-game playoff for the national title.
At this point LSU is ranked No. 1 in the BCS. If LSU wins its remaining 3 games plus the SEC Championship game it will be the No. 1 team in the BCS.
There are no "rules" that were agreed to before the season started about rematches, conference or division standings, or anything else. If we are No. 1 then, we need to play and beat whoever No. 2 is - be it a team we already played and beat, that shares our conference/division, etc.
If Alabama or Oregon is rightfully the 2nd best team, and the voters "manipulate" the system for any reason to avoid a "rematch", then it is unfair to LSU and all of college football because the rules have been changed after the games have started.
If Bama's road is "easier" than LSU's cause they didn't have to play the sec-c or got a loss, that's the breaks...I'd venture to say that no team in the country has played the schedule we have anyway.
Let's stop the griping, win out, and beat whoever we play for the championship. I don't want anyone saying our title is tainted.
Geaux Tigers.
They said that at seasons end, the team ranked No. 1 in the BCS rankings would play the team ranked No. 2 in the BCS rankings in a one-game playoff for the national title.
At this point LSU is ranked No. 1 in the BCS. If LSU wins its remaining 3 games plus the SEC Championship game it will be the No. 1 team in the BCS.
There are no "rules" that were agreed to before the season started about rematches, conference or division standings, or anything else. If we are No. 1 then, we need to play and beat whoever No. 2 is - be it a team we already played and beat, that shares our conference/division, etc.
If Alabama or Oregon is rightfully the 2nd best team, and the voters "manipulate" the system for any reason to avoid a "rematch", then it is unfair to LSU and all of college football because the rules have been changed after the games have started.
If Bama's road is "easier" than LSU's cause they didn't have to play the sec-c or got a loss, that's the breaks...I'd venture to say that no team in the country has played the schedule we have anyway.
Let's stop the griping, win out, and beat whoever we play for the championship. I don't want anyone saying our title is tainted.
Geaux Tigers.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 5:08 pm
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:01 pm to lsusa
I agree with you. Here is my point on another thread where fella complained about the disadvantage of the SEC Champ Game
"The Champ game is a benefit. Without it, LSU doesn't get to the BCS for the 2 prior opportunities. Our wins there propelled us ahead of USC in 2003 and ahead of VA Tech, Kansas, and Georgia after beating Tenn. I don't think you can have it both ways just because we are undefeated and may not need the help. If we run the table, we play whomever is number 2. Whether it's Boise or a one loss team like Bama, it is what it is under the current system. Some people are saying Oklahoma. How the heck do you put them in over a 1 loss Bama when they got beat by unranked Texas Tech at home?"
"The Champ game is a benefit. Without it, LSU doesn't get to the BCS for the 2 prior opportunities. Our wins there propelled us ahead of USC in 2003 and ahead of VA Tech, Kansas, and Georgia after beating Tenn. I don't think you can have it both ways just because we are undefeated and may not need the help. If we run the table, we play whomever is number 2. Whether it's Boise or a one loss team like Bama, it is what it is under the current system. Some people are saying Oklahoma. How the heck do you put them in over a 1 loss Bama when they got beat by unranked Texas Tech at home?"
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:02 pm to lsusa
Problem is BCS ranking is 2/3 human polls. And there is no guideline for the voters to determine who to vote as #2. So if a voter feels a previous loss to the #1 eliminates a team in their vote from contention to be in that spot, then so be it. Their line of thinking may be "hey we know these two teams didn't beat #1, so let's see if another team can."
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:03 pm to lsusa
I agree. While I don't like the idea of a rematch, I like even less the idea of the pollsters manipulating their rankings to avoid a rematch. If they think Bama or Oregon is #2, they should vote that way.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:08 pm to BoudreauxinGA
My feeling is this, say bama, Oregon, Stanford, Oklahoma all have one lose but lsu is undefeated.
Right of the bat, Oregon and bama are eliminated because they lost head to head. What is the point of making the regular season count if you're not going to treat it that way?
Then I would go head to head on Oklahoma and okie state
Head to head on oregon / Stanford
If its Oregon, they are eliminated.
The winner of oklahoma and okie state should get the nod
If lsu loses, chaos ensues
Right of the bat, Oregon and bama are eliminated because they lost head to head. What is the point of making the regular season count if you're not going to treat it that way?
Then I would go head to head on Oklahoma and okie state
Head to head on oregon / Stanford
If its Oregon, they are eliminated.
The winner of oklahoma and okie state should get the nod
If lsu loses, chaos ensues
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:15 pm to dreaux
What about OU getting whpped by TT and Boise beating Georgia. I think Boise gets the nod in that scenario.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:18 pm to dante
If there's an undefeated team, aside from BSU, then the title will be just like 03. split.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:23 pm to lsusa
quote:Are you freaking kidding? If we win out and beat the no. 2 team in the BCSNCG how on God's green earth can anyone in their everliving mind consider our championship tainted??? If this LSU team goes 14-0 beating all the teams necessary to get there then no one, NO ONE can argue that we aren't the best no matter what kind of manuevering happens to determine our opponent!
I don't want anyone saying our title is tainted.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:24 pm to lsusa
I just don't think if you lose at home you should be given another chance. Maybe if you lose on the road in a very close game you should be given a chance on a neutral field, but thats it IMO.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:26 pm to Moustache
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If there's an undefeated team, aside from BSU, then the title will be just like 03. split.
No way anyone votes for any team but LSU if we're undefeated at the end. We beat Oregon at a neutral site and Alabama on the road. Those are two top 5 teams at years end.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:26 pm to otowntiger
They will manipulate it just like the last vote that got us to the title in 2007. VaTech was ahead of us and we leap frogged them on the last vote.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:29 pm to dante
If voters rationalize being an undefeated team from a non-AQ is better than one-loss in a BCS league, so be it.
Or if they decide that a 1-loss Bama and 1-loss OU are "equal" and use the rematch as a tie-breaker, ok.
But to automatically remove a team from consideration based on something that was not in the rules is wrong, its unfair to every team in college football, and potentially taints LSU's championship.
Let's hope Stanford or OSU win out, and we don't have to worry about it.
Or if they decide that a 1-loss Bama and 1-loss OU are "equal" and use the rematch as a tie-breaker, ok.
But to automatically remove a team from consideration based on something that was not in the rules is wrong, its unfair to every team in college football, and potentially taints LSU's championship.
Let's hope Stanford or OSU win out, and we don't have to worry about it.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:45 pm to lsusa
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But to automatically remove a team from consideration based on something that was not in the rules is wrong, its unfair to every team in college football, and potentially taints LSU's championship.
Maybe unfair only to Bama or Oregon, but doesn't (and logically can't) taint the title since LSU would have already beaten the aforementioned teams.
The BCS era's lesson is simple: Win (*unless you are Auburn in 2004, then no never! Why? Because frick YOU that's why!)
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:05 pm to RoscoTheTiger
The problem with the rematch is simple. We beat alabama AT ALABAMA! So if they were to beat us in the NC game then we would be 1-1 with our win on their turf. I understand what the rules say, but if you beat a team at their stadium and have to play an extra game they didn't then no way do they deserve to be in the NC game. Sorry. You're argument about "just win out an nothing to complain about" is stupid. Why not say that to Alabama who lost at home. That is all.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:15 pm to jwill37
I'm not sure if you are responding to me but if you were you completely misunderstood. I said exactly what you are saying. Bama should have won if they want a championship. Fairness may be a bitch if you really are the number two team, but you should have won when you had your chance (your only chance).
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:18 pm to therick711
no I wasn't man. just making a statement for all these bama sympathisers. I'm sorry but I hate bama. that guy crying with his swoosh hairdo sums it up for all of bama. any qb (mcarron) that's more worried about how his hair looks belongs on their team. he had a cool swoosh haircut too.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:25 pm to lsusa
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I don't want anyone saying our title is tainted.
In going along with our post for the sake of argument, the big difference would be that fact we beat two of those teams in the same season. The worst case scenario was Auburn 2004, when a BCS conference team went undefeated and didn't win. That may happen this year with OSU/Stanford but in no way will our title be tainted because of what we we did on the field.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:27 pm to lsusa
No rematches, only one bite at the apple. I would say this if we lost also.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:30 pm to lsusa
The BCS is there for a reason. Team #1 and #2 will play at the end of the season for the national championship, be it Boise, Oregon, Alabama, or whoever. Simple as that.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:31 pm to lsusa
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If Alabama or Oregon is rightfully the 2nd best team, and the voters "manipulate" the system for any reason to avoid a "rematch
But the rules allow for this, shitty as they are.
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