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i need a baseball expert for a sec regarding a balk
Posted on 10/4/11 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 10/4/11 at 7:50 pm
my son RHP asked me if there was a player on 1B, can he pick up his front knee and spin around clockwise towards the runner if he gets a jump on the steal?
the move: set position (back foot on the rubber; hands together), raised front knee back, front knee over-the-top, backwards toward advancing runner.
we can do this if there is a runner at second, but can you do this with only a runner on first?
TIA
the move: set position (back foot on the rubber; hands together), raised front knee back, front knee over-the-top, backwards toward advancing runner.
we can do this if there is a runner at second, but can you do this with only a runner on first?
TIAThis post was edited on 10/4/11 at 7:54 pm
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Posted on 10/4/11 at 7:53 pm to Chaz95
only if the runner goes, same with a right hander throwing to 3rd with a runner on 2nd
Posted on 10/4/11 at 7:54 pm to Chaz95
you mean do an inside move with a runner stealing second?
I don't think you can, but I don't know why, and maybe you can. Did that help?
I don't think you can, but I don't know why, and maybe you can. Did that help?
Posted on 10/4/11 at 7:55 pm to TigerintheNO
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only if the runner goes
if the runner stays in his lead-off, it's a balk?
Posted on 10/4/11 at 7:56 pm to LfcSU3520
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you mean do an inside move with a runner stealing second?
there were times in his games this weekend where he knew the steal was ON like a muther. our catcher was struggling making his throws, and he asked if he (RHP) could lift and spin clockwise, and charge the eager runner on the way to 2nd.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 7:57 pm to Chaz95
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if the runner stays in his lead-off, it's a balk?
yes
Posted on 10/4/11 at 7:58 pm to TigerintheNO
see, that's what i thought, but you do not have to throw in that case if your runner is on second and he gets an early jump on third, right?
Posted on 10/4/11 at 7:59 pm to Chaz95
why not just step off the rubber?
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:01 pm to Lester Earl
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why not just step off the rubber?
that would be a much slower move to either first or second.
the idea is that many 9U runners have the steal called in just about every single open base position. he wanted to know if he could lift, spin and charge the runner from a clockwise pivot.
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:04 pm to Chaz95
(not making a forward move to the plate at any time)
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:09 pm to Chaz95
so he wants to bait the runner to steal ?
or the runner is already stealing and he wants to pivot that way to make a throw easier/chase runner?
or the runner is already stealing and he wants to pivot that way to make a throw easier/chase runner?
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:11 pm to Chaz95
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(not making a forward move to the plate at any time)
I think this would be legal. It is the "deceptive" move of going towards home and not completing the throw that causes a balk. There should not be 2 sets of rules for if a runner is on 1st or 2nd.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:12 pm to Lester Earl
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the runner is already stealing and he wants to pivot that way to make a throw easier/chase runner
tigerinNO gave me the answer i think i wanted to hear...bmac confused the frick outta me
all!Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:12 pm to Chaz95
If 2nd base is unoccupied with a runner on first then an inside move (the one you are talking about) is always a balk, regardless of whether the runner goes or not. The only acceptable move is a pick to first, or to first step back off the rubber then throw to second. The move you are talking about would be considered deceiving the runner. I say this assuming you are not in a league that has separate rules than 99% of other associations.
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:14 pm to ball1428
I yeild to those with actual knowledge......
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:15 pm to ball1428
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deceiving the runner
thought about that, but this was in the definition:
"throws or feints a throw from the rubber to an unoccupied base, unless a play is imminent"
i was thinking that a play was imminent
ETA: 60-65 feet is a pretty damn short distance and is a tremendous advantage for a baserunner.
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:18 pm to Chaz95
It's a balk, he has to step off the rubber.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:19 pm to double d
knew i came to the right place.
jesus, bmac, thought for sure you'd know
ETA: we'll work on a really quick motion to the cather when a batter is on.
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:20 pm to Chaz95
well it can be an advantage if the catcher is struggling for sure. Make sure your son is using a slide step, mixing up his looks, and picking off to first effectively. That should at least keep the runner a little closer
Posted on 10/4/11 at 8:21 pm to ball1428
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using a slide step, mixing up his looks, and picking off to first effectively. That should at least keep the runner a little closer
yessir...this was to be our plan
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