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What did South Carolina bring to the table in 1992?

Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:06 am
Posted by Waffle House
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:06 am
aside from a footprint in the Carolinas? I will admit I don't remember much about USC sports programs prior to them joining the SEC, but were they viewed more on their potential than their production up until that time? If so, are they that much different than Missouri?

ETA: I personally don't want Mizzou if it will result in LSU losing yearly games with Bama or Auburn.
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:07 am to
About the same as arkansas(In my eyes we had a little more branding) but it was more for the Champ game than anything else I'd figure.
Posted by TheFolker
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:09 am to
Missouri brings more to the table now than USCe did in 1992. No doubt. They have a decent all around athletic department, they have the TV markets, and they are a good school
Posted by wmr
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:16 am to
Its not the same situation.

We already have a CCG. In 1992, there wasn't one.

Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:18 am to
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it was more for the Champ game than anything else


EXACTLY. USCe and Arkie were functional.....they were a means to an end. Just like Colorado and Utah in the Pac 12.

But now that they have conf title games secured, the Pac and the SEC both want to add difference-makers in delivering major TV markets. A&M and Mizzou do this for the SEC.

For the Pac, OU is a solid national brand when they play high level regular season opponent, which is 4 or 5 times a regular season. Those other games.....not so much. Okie State is a bitter pill for the Pac to swallow. That is why the Pac's bac is against the wall. Their only A+ option is Texas in terms of eyeball watching TVs. If the Pac doesn't land Texas, Larry Scott is a huge loser in realignment.
Posted by Waffle House
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:19 am to
So was it more that they were an independent and it made the process of acquiring them easier?
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:21 am to
Posted by wmr
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:21 am to
It was more of a "we need 12 and the Texas schools and FSU all said no", IMO.
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:22 am to
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If the Pac doesn't land Texas, Larry Scott is a huge loser in realignment.
if Pac-12 adds Oklahoma, that is a major win. You can't spin it any other way.

UT needs the Pac-12 more than it needs UT.
Posted by GumBro Jackson
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:25 am to
Yeah, I think the main thing is that the SEC wanted the championship game (which really has been a freaking awesome addition).

Arkansas and SC were schools that expanded our geographic footprint, fit in pretty well culturally, had okay academics (didn't help, but didn't embarass us either) and had decent athletic programs (with Arkansas being the better of the two).

Now that we are at 12, I think we need to be more selective. I mean, TBH at this point we probably wouldn't accept the Miss schools (or maybe Kentucky) if they were not part of the SEC, but they are in and I would never favor kicking them out b/c they are part of the tradition and culture of the SEC. However if someone approximately on par with them came calling in 2011, I'd tell that school to get lost.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:29 am to
Yes, it was a different situation in the late 80's early 90's. The conferenes had only recent won the right to negoiate their own TV deals form the NCAA. ND got their NBC deal, Penn State went to the Big 10. So Car was an Indy and had a large, rabid fan base, they routinely sold out an 80K seat stadium, even when they were bad. It fit geographically and culturally with the SEC. They were aight under Joe Morrison, they were 10-2 in 84 amd had the 1980 Heisman winner. Not an elite level program, but hardly Vanderbilt bad and while not a huge state, not a remote wasteland either. The important thing was to get to 12 and start the CCG.

IIRC A&M was the first choice, but Arkansas was also a good fit and had had a good deal of success in FB and basketball at the time.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:31 am to
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UT needs the Pac-12 more than it needs UT.


hardly. adding Texas would give the Pac 12 a presence in the 2 largest states.

While much of what Dr Drunk says is nonsense, he's right about one thing, the B1G, ACC and yes even the SEC would all gladly add UT on principal, issues with the LHN could be worked out.
Posted by Waffle House
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:33 am to
Not quite sure why the head banging.

I'm not saying anyone did/doesn't belong. I wasn't paying attention to the last round of SEC expansion due to age and I am interested in it now. What's the big deal?

Looked up Independent teams of that era and which ones geographically made sense:

FSU - Said no
Miami (Joined Big East in '91) - UF block?
USC - Admitted to SEC
Tulane - HAHA
VT (Joined Big East in '91) - Similar record to USC in the 80's.
WVU (Joined Big East in '91)

Pretty interesting in that if Beamer Ball had started a few years earlier, we may already be sitting with VT in the SEC and hoping to add USC now, instead of vice versa.
Posted by TheFolker
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:34 am to
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Kentucky


quote:

However if someone approximately on par with them came calling in 2011, I'd tell that school to get lost.


As is the case with Kansas.
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:34 am to
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hardly. adding Texas would give the Pac 12 a presence in the 2 largest states.
if OU and OSU bolt to the Pac-12, the Big 12 folds...therefore, I stand by my assessment that UT would need the Pac-12 more than the Pac-12 needs UT. key word is "needs"...
Posted by winyahpercy
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:35 am to
quote:

Its not the same situation.

We already have a CCG. In 1992, there wasn't one.


dito.... i think the SEC's TV deal back then was with TBS for peanuts. it's a totally different situation today.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:39 am to
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Not quite sure why the head banging.


because this topic has been brought up numerous times.


quote:

Miami (Joined Big East in '91) - UF block?


Arky and USCe had biiger fanbases to draw from, even then. Miami was the superpower on the field but brought little revenue wise. TV revenue is a bigger deal now, back then attendence, tickets sales mattered a little more.
This post was edited on 9/20/11 at 11:46 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:42 am to
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if OU and OSU bolt to the Pac-12, the Big 12 folds...therefore, I stand by my assessment that UT would need the Pac-12 more than the Pac-12 needs UT. key word is "needs


They'd have options, its not like they'd have not choice but to join the Pac 12 or launguish as an Indy or in a mid major, hence the don't "need" the Pac 12 as much as the Pac 12 would want them.

We'll see how it plays out, but I'm not convinced the Pac 12 takes OU/OSU without Texas.
Posted by winyahpercy
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:46 am to
a little fact... prior to SCar joining the SEC, the conferences last National Champion was Georgia in 1980 (and SC should have beat them that year)... since the Gamecocks have been in the SEC, the SEC has won 9 National Championships.... and all 9 NCs had to beat SC during the season to win their NC. I think we may be the only SEC school to make that claim. So for superstition sake, it's good to have SCar in the SEC.
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:48 am to
My point is that there is no conference needing UT. Sure, the four big conferences would all take them, but none of them NEED them right now.

However, Texas, if the Big 12 implodes, would be left scrambling to schedule opponents for its smaller sports. In this scenario, who, in the region, is going to accommodate the school that caused the break up of the Big 12?
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